Margaret Copeland, which one?

[a chesters]

I am looking for the Margaret Copeland who married Robert Bewick 11 Nov 1829 at Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland.

I have three possibilities.

The first one was baptised 2 Jan 1791 at Chester le Street, Durham, with father Peter, and mother Elizabeth.

The second one was baptised 6 May 1795 at Scotch Church Presbyterian, Monkwearmouth, Durham, with father Samuel and mother Margaret.

The third one was baptized 23 Sept 1798 at Whickham, Durham, with father Robert and mother Ann Bourne.

Robert was baptized 9 Dec 1792 at Chester le Street, Durham, with father George Bewick and mother Thomasin Greenwell, both born and married at Chester le Street.

At this stage I am leaning towards the first one, but any assistance or ideas, would be very gratefully received.

A Chesters

[Ruskie]

Are there any clues in the names of Margaret's own children as to the names of her parents?

Sadly details on her own children's birth/baptismal entries will probably not give their mother (Margaret's) place of origin. However it might be worth tracking down originals of all births if possible in case there is some snippet is included which may help.

Did Margaret appear in any census? (in particular 1851 and later) - and if so was her place of birth given?

Have you tried tracing all three of these Margaret Copelands to see if you can eliminate any (deaths, marriages etc)?

[fiddlerslass]

One of the witnesses to the marriage was a Robert COPELAND  - see the Bishop's Transcript

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11865-97344-38?cc=1309819&wc=9K5S-MNL:13617901,27617101,27881101

so he could be her father or a brother.

If this is the family in 1841 both Robert & Margaret were born out of Northumberland

Bigg Market Newcastle St John  HO107/848 folio 8 p 10

Robert BEWICK 45 shopkeeper N
Margaret "         45                  N
George   "         11                  Y
Robert   "           9                  Y
Margaret "           5                  Y
Thomasin "          3                 Y
Mary ROBSON     20                Y

ages of those over 15 were rounded down so the adults could be aged up to 49. The census was taken on the night of 6/ 7th June.

[chempat]

Second wife or wrong age?
1861
Robert Bewick  Age:    67  Estimated birth year:    1794
Spouse's Name:    Morgrat Bewick
Where born:    Chester-le-Street, Durham, England  Civil Parish:    St John     Newcastle     Northumberland
Registration district:    Newcastle Upon Tyne  St Nicholas   168/3824/ 34
Robert Bewick    67  Warehouseman
Morgrat Bewick    51  Houghton-le-spring
James Bewick    26  Newcastle
Morgrat Bewick    24  Newcastle
Thomasen M Bewick    23   Newcastle
Ellen Coseland    19
Thomas Barker    31

[chempat]

He has married (probably) his cousin by 1861:
1851
    Robert Bewick      58    born:    Chester C St, Durham, England
Civil Parish:    Westgate
   Newcastle upon Tyne     Northumberland
Registration district:    Newcastle Upon Tyne      Westgate
   382/ 2404 /   215/     82
Robert Bewick    58  widower
George Bewick    20
Robert Bewick    18
James Bewick    16
Margaret Bewick    14
Thomasin Mary Bewick    12
Margaret Bewick    41  cousin unmarried housekeeper  City of Durham

[a chesters]

Thank you all for your interest and help.

Ruskie, Unfortunately, she died in, I think, Dec 1850, in Bishopwearmouth, so the 1851 census dosnt help. The 1841 census has her as born in Durham, the same as Robert. The names of the children are: George, his fathers name, Robert, possibly her fathers name, James, Margaret, and Thomasin, her fathers mothers name.

Fiddlerslass, That is the information I have gleaned from the records, but I will have a look shortly at the Bishops Transcript.

chempat, I have found a record which indicates that he married his cousin Margaret in Sept 1851, about nine months after the first Margarets death.

Robert and the second Margaret did not have any children, as he was about 59, and she was about 45
Both of the census records you found I have, and as far as I can work out, both are correct for the people I am following.

Having just done some calculations of the ages of the Margarets at the time of marriage, the first one would have been about 37 when married, the second one about 33, and the third one about 31. I have no idea if this is of any use, but I thought it might be of some use. Would the age of the wife have any bearing?

Again, many thanks,

AC

[chempat]

If you are assuming that they were baptised very close in time to when they were born, then the first would have been about 50 in 1841, the second 45/46, and the third 42.

The 1841 has the rounded age as 45, the same age as her husband.

Your choice.

[trish1120]

There is this Robert still alive in 1841 who may have Witnessed the 1829 Marriage

1841 Census
Whickham, Durham
HO107/302/13/Whickham
Robert Copeland, 75, Blacksmith
Ann Copeland, 70
William Copeland, 20, Blacksmith
Robert Copeland, 20, Chain Maker
Henry Dobson, 2

[trish1120]

You may have to get the 1850 Death Cert to establish an age for Margaret.

Trish