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Re: 1939 Register - National Archives - Civilian Population Record
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 01 February 15 08:37 GMT (UK) »
Guy, can you tell me why their is only 30 years closure for Overcrowding Surveys but 100 years for Census's ???
bendywendy

Yes the answer is very simple M.Ps. were lied to before they voted on the Census (Confidentiality) Act 1991.
The person who lied to them was later made to address the M.Ps. and apologise but by then the Act had been passed and was law.

The first 100 year rule came into being in 1966 by a Lord Chancellor's Instrument (no.12, issued in 1966). This was making use of the option in 1958 Pubic Records Act to vary access to any public record for varying periods of time (mainly because the particular record was in constant use and public access would disrupt this).

It is interesting to note the Registrar General added an unlawful assurance to the 1981 Census that it would be closed for 100 years and he was forced to apologise for his error.

Censuses in the past were commonly released 50 to 80 years after they were taken.

The Freedom of Information Act 2000 has made the current situation that all public records are open to inspection unless there is a reason for that particular record to be withheld.
Each individual record is supposed to be dealt with by itself rather than as part of a class of records. Though in reality each class of records is generally given a closure period of commonly up to 30 years.
All current 100 year rule closures are non-statutory, that means they do not have the authority of law (statute).

Under the Census (Confidentiality) Act 1991 no other census may be released to the public ever.
It will require a change in the law to allow the 1921 census to be released in 2022 as the National Archives claim on their website.
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Re: 1939 Register - National Archives - Civilian Population Record
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 01 February 15 15:15 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks Guy for this information of which I didn't know and is very interesting regarding the 1921 census too.
If you don't object I will share this information so others have the benefit too.
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Re: 1939 Register - National Archives - Civilian Population Record
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 01 February 15 15:43 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks Guy for this information of which I didn't know and is very interesting regarding the 1921 census too.
If you don't object I will share this information so others have the benefit too.
bendywendy

I don't mind you sharing it at all.
Cheers
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Re: 1939 Register - National Archives - Civilian Population Record
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 01 February 15 16:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi Guy...Thanks for that very enlightening answer...You may have solved a long standing query of mine as to why the Newfoundland Grand Banks site have the 1921, 1935, 1945 censuses available for some districts of St. John's and have done for the 15 years I have been researching. When I went to St. John's in 1999 and again in 2000...I could view them on microfiche...These have been available since I started researching my Father's Family who came from St. John's NFLD. I know Newfoundland was still British until 1949 so failed to understand how this info could be available there but not here.

http://ngb.chebucto.org/census.shtml

Unless you can shed any light on any other reason?

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Re: 1939 Register - National Archives - Civilian Population Record
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 01 February 15 19:41 GMT (UK) »
I couldn't comment about the Newfoundland census laws as I have no experience in their legal system.
I should imagine that they were originally based on British law (as happened in many of the former colonies & dominions) but when or if they changed I have no idea.
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Re: 1939 Register - National Archives - Civilian Population Record
« Reply #14 on: Friday 06 February 15 09:34 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks Guy for this information of which I didn't know and is very interesting regarding the 1921 census too.
If you don't object I will share this information so others have the benefit too.
bendywendy

I don't mind you sharing it at all.
Cheers
Guy


After I received my information from the NHS Information Center I put the following page up on my website.
It might be of interest to others who are interested in the 1939 National Registration.
 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eoz/

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Re: 1939 Register - National Archives - Civilian Population Record
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 17 March 15 11:18 GMT (UK) »
There is some info here about what records we will actually be able to see when the 1939 register is released on a subscription site ,hopefully later this year.

http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2015/redaction-and-the-1939-register/
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Re: 1939 Register - National Archives - Civilian Population Record
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 17 March 15 13:55 GMT (UK) »
Jim Shaughnessy states about the 1939 National Register on the FindMyPast news site-

“When the Register was taken, it was with the understanding that the records would remain closed for the duration of the lifetime of the individuals listed. In the case of censuses, this same understanding is enshrined in law, meaning that all of the individuals listed are unavailable to view for 100 years and one day after the census being taken.”

This is a false assumption there were no such assurances given in fact it was stated that the National Registration would be used after the war to reunite evacuees with their families. It was considered less like a census and more like an electoral register open for all to see.

It is such myths that blocked access to the 1939 National Registration and the 1911 census in the first place and why I mounted my challenges and won the right to access both.

For full details about the 1939 National Registration including sample pages see
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01eyo/

To get down to the sample pages one has to scroll down the index through the first 46 pages of - Instructional circulars

Past the 7 pages of  - Instructions and form relating to the formation of enumeration districts

Then there are the 22 pages of - National Registration Enumeration Book and schedules

Cheers
Guy
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http://burial-inscriptions.co.uk Tombstones & Monumental Inscriptions.

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