James McGaw marriage in NSW?

[majm]

One of the NEW features at NSW BDM online index is the option to search by number only.   This comes in handy if there's the possibility of an entry being indexed twice or more.

May I please assure you that searching for Ethel's birth registration using ONLY the registration no. has resulted in ONLY ONE ENTRY in that index, so there's only an entry under JOYCE, and not any under GENTRY or variations on Gentry.   I have just checked    using only 17348 and 1898 and YES as the option in "Search by number only"

Births in NSW
17348/1898
JOYCE,  ETHEL A M G
Mother:  SARAH A M
Father:  Not Named
Registered at WICKHAM

 

So Ethel married without needing to produce a NSW birth certificate  Add, (in the name of Gentry)  She married using her 'known by' name.     That is not unusual, nor illegal; she was not attempting to deceive or defraud, or otherwise mis-represent herself.   

Cheers,  JM

[wivenhoe]

Sarah has family in NZ......?

BDM NSW births
5340 / 1876 JOYCE  Sarah A       parents John / Abigail          Redfern
6469 / 1878 JOYCE Olive May E   parents John / Abigail          Waterloo
6374 / 1880 JOYCE Rubert John  parents John / Abigail          Waverley

Where is mother Abigail JOYCE after death of John....I cannot see death or remarriage NSW or NZ?

BDM NZ marriage
1900 / 151 JOYCE Olive May Elizabeth  m . William Albert WALTERS
names of children include Abigail and Rupert


SMH 11 Aug 1891
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13834512?
funeral John JOYCE....brothers Thomas.....Matthew.......brother in law Charles WILLCOX

Evening News 9 Aug 1892
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/112601970?
...in memoriam John JOYCE...wife Abigail... children Abigail, Olive and Rupert.

Can you give details on death certificate James McGAW please?

[sparrett]

Here is a good possibility for the birth of Sarah Abigail Margaret JOYCE

5340/1876  JOYCE Sarah A
Parents John &  Abigail
At REDFERN

A couple of siblings too

6374/1880  JOYCE Rubert (sic) John
Parents John &  Abigail
At WAVERLEY

6469/1878  JOYCE Olive May E
Parents John &  Abigail
At WATERLOO

Sue 
 

[Whenu]

Abigail Joyce, nee Havard, died in NZ in 1928.
NZBDM document no. 1928/7066
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search.aspx?Path=%2fqueryEntry.m%3ftype%3ddeaths#SearchResults

James McGaw's death cert.

[wivenhoe]

Auckland Star 14 Nov 1919
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=AS19191114.2.67&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----2Rupert+Joyce--

 Rupert John JOYCE d. Nov 14 1918   38 years
  ........wife of Cecilia, father of Jack
..........mother and step-father M A and G LEAREY
...........brother H G LEAREY
..........friends Mr and Mrs WALTERS
..........niece and nephew Ethel, Alice, Mattie and Rupert
..........sister and brother in law Olive and Will WATERS

BDM NSW marriage
1532 / 1874 JOYCE John  m. Abigail HAVARD          St Leonards

NZ Electoral Roll  1905 - 6 at Hobson St Auckland Central
LEAREY Abigail  dressmaker
LEAREY George carpenter
JOYCE Rupert John   saddler

It is possible that Sarah JOYCE met James McGAW in New Zealand, and James was not in New South Wales.

[majm]

NSW ER 1878 NEWTOWN
Thomas JOYCE of Glebe, freeholder at Redfern

NSW ER 1878 WEST SYDNEY
JOYCE
Francis, 10 South St, householder
John, 15 Windmill St, residence
Thomas, 39 Smithers St, householder

NSW ER 1878 PADDINGTON
JOYCE
John, Taylor St, Waterloo
Matthew, leaseholder, Young St, Redfern

NSW ER 1878 EAST SYDNEY
JOYCE
……….. 236 Castlereagh St 
George, household, 23 Burton St
John, household, off Elizabeth St
Thomas, household, 54 Taylor St
William of Sydney, freehold, Phelps Street land
William, household, Fitzroy St
William, household, Edgeley St

NSW ER ST LEONARDS  (Oops, edit to add 1878  )
None with surname JOYCE


City of Sydney Assessment Books
http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/house-and-building-histories/assessment-books

City of Sydney’s free to search Sands Directories
http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/search-our-collections/sands-directory


Cheers,  JM

[sparrett]

In memoriam for John Joyce, Sarah’s father. Placed by members of the family in 1892, but seem not to include Sarah by her name.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/112601970
 
 
 
The sad death by accident of John,  Sarah’s father in 1891
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/111982291

Sue

[Whenu]

Auckland Star 14 Nov 1919
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=AS19191114.2.67&srpos=1&e=-------10--1----2Rupert+Joyce--

 Rupert John JOYCE d. Nov 14 1918   38 years
  ........wife of Cecilia, father of Jack
..........mother and step-father M A and G LEAREY
...........brother H G LEAREY
..........friends Mr and Mrs WALTERS
..........niece and nephew Ethel, Alice, Mattie and Rupert
..........sister and brother in law Olive and Will WATERS

BDM NSW marriage
1532 / 1874 JOYCE John  m. Abigail HAVARD          St Leonards

NZ Electoral Roll  1905 - 6 at Hobson St Auckland Central
LEAREY Abigail  dressmaker
LEAREY George carpenter
JOYCE Rupert John   saddler

It is possible that Sarah JOYCE met James McGAW in New Zealand, and James was not in New South Wales.

I was going by the entry on James McGaw death cert that he had had a marriage in NSW when he was aged 20, with, by the look of it 3 children.

[majm]

Re James McGAW NZ dc.... Is it possible that the marriage in NSW at age 20 and with 1 daughter 2 sons, is an answer given to a question that has been mis-understood when James was being admitted to the hospital?      Is it possible that the informant at the hospital was James wife (Sarah) and she was asked about any earlier marriages, and answered about her own earlier marriage rather than the deceased's earlier marriage?  Or perhaps the hospital provided the info to the registering agent (I think funeral director in NZ) and it has been mishmashed there? 

Cheers,  JM