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Re: James McGaw marriage in NSW?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 08 February 15 23:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Whenu,

Your information is a bit skewed - who is Charles GENTRY?

Births in NSW

17348/1898
JOYCE,  ETHEL A M G
Mother:  SARAH A M
Father:  Not Named
Registered at WICKHAM

36053/1899
JOYCE, RUPERT C G
Mother:  SARAH A M
Father:  Not Named
Registered at WICKHAM

37354/1901
JOYCE, ALICE P
Mother:  SARAH A M
Father:  Not Named
Registered at WICKHAM

Birth in NZ

17890/1903
JOYCE,  Olive Martha
Mother:  Sarah Abigail Margaret
Father:  Not Named

So there are no children mentioned in James's memorial which were from a previous marriage.

Debra  :)

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Re: James McGaw marriage in NSW?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 08 February 15 23:28 GMT (UK) »
Charles Gentry is the father of the children you mentioned Dundee, he died in 1903, then Sarah married James McGaw.
There are no children recorded on the death cert from the previous marriage.
Disregard my previous comment about Rupert being from the first marriage, he's from the second.
He married an Ellen in 1928.
Reid, Coull, Sutherland,Innes. Banff, Scotland
Reed, Tullamore to Sydney, Oz
Joyce, Cork to Sydney, Oz
Havard, Pembroke
Gentry, Gt. Totham, Essex
Hatcher,Essex?
Ebden, Thorncombe, Devon
Boon, Thorncombe, Devon
Osbourne, Aveton Gifford, Devon
Eades, Stafford
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de St Laurent,  Malon Normandy France

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Re: James McGaw marriage in NSW?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 08 February 15 23:52 GMT (UK) »
Charles Gentry is the father of the children ........he died in 1903, then Sarah married James McGaw.

Hi there,

I have not yet located a Charles GENTRY in the Wickham district of Newcastle NSW in any year of the 1890s or into the 1900s. 

I have not yet located a death for a Charles GENTRY in either NSWBDM  or NZBDM in 1903

Cheers,  JM
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Re: James McGaw marriage in NSW?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 09 February 15 00:04 GMT (UK) »


Further to NSW birth -
37354/1901
JOYCE, ALICE P....mother Sarah A M..........Wickham   (23 Sep 1901)

BDM NZ marriage
1921 / 544 GENTRY Alice Pearl   m. EDWARDS Nolan Pierce

death
1974 / 29301 EDWARDS Alice Pearl      b. 23 Sep 1901


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Re: James McGaw marriage in NSW?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 09 February 15 00:21 GMT (UK) »
NZ Electoral Roll 1928   at 104 Victoria St West, Auckland Central
McGAW  Sarah Abigail Margaret      married
McGAW  James                              no occupation
McGAW  Rupert                             bottler
EDWARDS Nolan Pierce                  gardener
EDWARDS Alice Pearl                     married

also, 1928
45 Queens Parade Devonport Auckland
McGAW Sarah Abigail Margaret      married
McGAW Olive Martha                     spinster

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Re: James McGaw marriage in NSW?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 09 February 15 00:31 GMT (UK) »
Has anyone obtained a copy/official transcription of those NSW Births in the surname JOYCE .... as the online index does not include a father's given name, it is unlikely to be noted on the births, and the index entries suggest to me that the person registering the births was unable to give details of the marriage of the parents of the baby (when and where they married). 

If the father were to register the births, even if not formally married to the baby's mum, then he is the informant.  So on a different section of the NSW BDM cert he would be asked to nominate his relationship to the baby.  So if Charles Gentry was the father of these babies, and if he was willing to state this when registering the birth/s, then you can have confidence that Charles was most likely the father.   In that pre WWI era, the word recorded on those birth registrations may well have been "illegitimate".   

However, where the parents of a baby were co-habitating, and unable to formally marry due to some impediment, then there's quite a few birth registrations where the father was the one registering the birth, and so he was able to state his relationship to the baby.   It is simply that the online index (and all the usual off line indexes from past years/decades) draw the info for the headings FAMILY name and FATHER's given name from the first several columns of the registration, and NOT from the informant section.... 

ADD,  just a gentle reminder that the surname on the NSW BDM births index is NOT drawn from the original registration for the BABY's surname.   There was NO column heading (ie so no question asked of the informant) provision for the baby's surname until late 1960s (and those indexes are on restricted access).  The index is drawn from the MOTHER's THEN surname .... so if she was a married woman, and (as likely in that era) using her husband's surname, then that's how the index has obtained that surname. 

But, just because a bride uses a surname that she believes is her Dad's surname, that does not mean that person was her father....  :) 

Sorry for the long-winded reply, but I am not a skilled wordsmith. 

Cheers,  JM.
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Re: James McGaw marriage in NSW?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 09 February 15 00:38 GMT (UK) »
Charles Gentry is the father of the children ........he died in 1903, then Sarah married James McGaw.

Hi there,

I have not yet located a Charles GENTRY in the Wickham district of Newcastle NSW in any year of the 1890s or into the 1900s. 


I have not yet located a death for a Charles GENTRY in either NSWBDM  or NZBDM in 1903

Cheers,  JM
Sorry, 1902 and Charles William. From the NSW BDM.
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/result?2

Have seen the marriage in Tonto NSW in 1897, but seem to have misplaced the search.
Have got those records wivenhoe off the Ancestry free search this weekend.

Found it on IGI.
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22Charles%20William%22~%20%2Bsurname%3AGentry~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3A%22Toronto%2C%20NSW%22~%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1897-1897~%20%2Bsubcollection_id%3A5&igi=%281%202%29
Reid, Coull, Sutherland,Innes. Banff, Scotland
Reed, Tullamore to Sydney, Oz
Joyce, Cork to Sydney, Oz
Havard, Pembroke
Gentry, Gt. Totham, Essex
Hatcher,Essex?
Ebden, Thorncombe, Devon
Boon, Thorncombe, Devon
Osbourne, Aveton Gifford, Devon
Eades, Stafford
Stratton, Bannockrigg, Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland
de St Laurent,  Malon Normandy France

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Re: James McGaw marriage in NSW?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 09 February 15 00:54 GMT (UK) »
Sarah McGaw's children were from her previous marriage to Charles Gentry in NSW in 1892.

I have not found that marriage in any of my NSW BDM resources.

Is it noted on Charles 1902 death cert? 

Cheers,  JM
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