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Re: Looking for Children of William Henry De Gray and Sarah Taylor
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 28 February 15 04:07 GMT (UK) »
1861 Census
Brades Road,
Oldbury, Worcestershire
HO107/2023/32/12
David HADLEY, 30, Head, Mar, Coal Miner, born Halesown
SARAH Hadley, 30, Wife, Mar
William DE GRAY, 14, Step-Son, Coal Miner
Harriot De Gray, 12, Step-Daug
Thomas Hadley, 6, Son
Aaron Hadley, 7mths, Son
All others born Oldbury

MARRIAGE;
29 Aug 1853, St John the Baptist, Halesowen, Worcestershire
David HADLEY, Bachelor, Occp Carpenter, Father THOMAS Hadley, Occp Nailor
Sarah DE GRAY, Widow, Father Daniel CARR, Cordwainer
Witnesses, John CARR, Mary Ann LAWTON
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BURIAL;
David HADLEY, 20 March 1864, Oldbury Cemetary, Oldbury Staffs, Staffordshire
Age 34,
Abode ROUNDS GREEN, Oldbury***
(FreeREG)

1871 as posted by chempat they are;
John Bracknell    40
Sarah Bracknell    40
Thomas H Bracknell 14
Aaron H Bracknell 9
Mercy H Bracknell 7
Betsy Bracknell    6 Months

So looks like Mercys Father was David Hadley :)

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Re: Looking for Children of William Henry De Gray and Sarah Taylor
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 28 February 15 04:29 GMT (UK) »
1851 Census
HO107/2056/155/40
William H De Grey, 25, Head, Mar, Boot and Shoe Maker, born Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Sarah De Grey, 21, Wife, Mar, born Oldbury, Worcestershire
William H De Grey, 5, Son, born Oldbury
Harriett De Grey, 2, Daug, born Oldbury
Charlotte De Grey, under 1 Mo, born Oldbury
Matilda CARR, 8, Sister in Law, born Oldbury

Death Reg;
Charlotte DE GREY, Sept 1852, West Bromwich, 6b 350


 
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Re: Looking for Children of William Henry De Gray and Sarah Taylor
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 28 February 15 04:39 GMT (UK) »
1841 Census
Church Street, Oldbury
Hales Owen, Shropshire
HO107/908/7/Hales Owen
Daniel CARR, 30, Shoemaker
Frances, 30
SARAH, 11**
John, 8
Edmund, 6
George, 1

1851 in Oldbury, Worcestershire we have;
Daniel Carr, 46, Cordwainer
Frances Carr, 47
John Carr, 17
Edward Carr, 15
George Carr, 11
Caroline Carr, 6
William Carr, 3 Mo

So 9yr old Matilda Carr fits in between George/Caroline and Sarah is now Married? (cant find Marriage) to William H De Grey.

1861 she is back at Home;
Daniel Carr    55
Frances Carr    56
Edward Carr    25
George Carr    19
Matilda Carr    17***
Caroline Carr    15
Willim Carr    10
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Re: Looking for Children of William Henry De Gray and Sarah Taylor
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 28 February 15 04:55 GMT (UK) »
As I said earler I cant find a Marriage to William H De Grey for a Sarah Carr and this may explain it.
She probably didnt marry him as she  remarries as Sarah Hadley;

Marriage Reg;
John Thomas BRACKNELL, Sept 1867, Dudley, 6c 149
Sarah HADLEY on same page
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Re: Looking for Children of William Henry De Gray and Sarah Taylor
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 28 February 15 05:40 GMT (UK) »
Question?
Just been looking at this, why is Mercy a Holloway now?

The enumerator may have misheard Mercys surname
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Re: Looking for Children of William Henry De Gray and Sarah Taylor
« Reply #23 on: Saturday 28 February 15 07:29 GMT (UK) »
amandar,

Saw that 1881 census but did not post it as getting to bedtime. 

It says on that census that Aaron is brother to wife - presumably that is just a mistake, as is that recording of Mercy's name in 1881 as Holloway (or similar spelling when it should be Hadley).

I do not know why your family always thought that Mercy was a Degray.

As Mercy was never actually a Bracknell, then for whatever reason this name was never mentioned to your great-aunt and she only ever heard about De Grey (it is a more distinguished surname, with illusions of grandeur).

We also have a Jane A Cooper in 1881 with the Bracknell family as an unmarried daughter (!), not necessarily relevant to sorting out Mercy, but seems to show what a lot of marriages, deaths and births to different related couples going on.

Added:
Wondered if Jane A Cooper is actually a Hadley, and a niece, but still looking for her in previous censuses.
No births on free bmd for Jane A Cooper or Jane A Hadley (or Bracknell).

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Re: Looking for Children of William Henry De Gray and Sarah Taylor
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 04 March 15 22:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Thank you all for your help.  Going to send for birth certificate of Phillis Mason to confirm parents name. I think it is going to say mother's name Mercy Hadley, I will be surprised if it says otherwise.

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Re: Looking for Children of William Henry De Gray and Sarah Taylor
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 11 March 15 11:00 GMT (UK) »
Please let us know the outcome of the B/C.

Trish :)
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Re: Looking for Children of William Henry De Gray and Sarah Taylor
« Reply #26 on: Monday 16 January 23 16:41 GMT (UK) »
I'm searching within this line as well. I am descended from Thomas Hadley. Son of David Hadley. What I have been able to piece together is that Sarah was married to William DeGrey, after he passed she married David. I suspect that David may have previously been married to an Eliza Ball. I think Thomas may be the only child of David and Eliza. Then they had Aaron together. I'm trying to follow the paper trail and the dna to confirm this. I'm in contact with a Mick Hadley who is descended from Aaron. If it helps at all my great grandmother in this line had a sister named Mercy, so it is a family name down through the Hadleys.