Baptism/Birth - Hugh Williams/Hughes - Liverpool 1804-1808

[100%Gog]

Hi

Please can anyone find a baptism record of a Hugh Williams/Hughes born in Liverpool between 1804 and 1808?

Hugh seems to have used the surname Williams for most of his adult life but I believe this was an anglicised version of the welsh patronymic form Huw ap William (Hugh son of William). His father was a William Hughes - occupation Tailor so if Hugh was born in Liverpool it is more likely that his baptism name will have been Hugh Hughes.

I have records of him from 1840 onwards living in Anglesey and Bangor area in North Wales so he must have left Liverpool before 1840. The 1851 and 1861 census both state Liverpool as his birth place with 1871 showing Anglesey (his last census before his death in 1880). As usual the 1841 census was not much help as he was living in Caernarfonshire at that time and his birthplace was listed as outside the county.

Whilst I accept its a long shot with the names Williams and Hughes in Liverpool at that time, any information will be gratefully received.

Thanks
100%Gog

[garstonite]

could he have lied or been confused about his birth year ??
the only one I can find with William Hughes as a Tailor is this
Baptism: 11 Feb 1798 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Hugh Hughes - Son of William Hughes & Mary (formerly Roberts), his wife
Born: 19 Nov 1797
Abode: Lancelots hey
Occupation: Tailor
Seniority: 5
Parents' Marriage: St Peters

is this too early ??...born 19th nov 1797

[suzard]

Are you certain his father's occupation was "tailor"? Could it be a mistranscription of "Sailor"?

There is this baptism
St Nicholas Liverpool
Hugh Hughes
born 22 July 1804
baptism 19 Aug 1804
father William Hughes occ Mariner
& Elizabeth formerley Williams his wife (formerly is transcribed as "Jeremiah" on some sites - image reads formerly!
address Chapel St

Suz

[suzard]

there is this marriage
St Peters Liverpool
William Hughes of the parish of Liverpool Mariner and Elizabeth Williams spinster of the same parish by Banns by Thos Knowles

Maybe worth investigating??

Suz

[100%Gog]

could he have lied or been confused about his birth year ??
the only one I can find with William Hughes as a Tailor is this
Baptism: 11 Feb 1798 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Hugh Hughes - Son of William Hughes & Mary (formerly Roberts), his wife
Born: 19 Nov 1797
Abode: Lancelots hey
Occupation: Tailor
Seniority: 5
Parents' Marriage: St Peters

is this too early ??...born 19th nov 1797

Thanks for the look up but I think this is too early, I have his death certificate 1880 which gives his age at death as 72 this makes his birth year about 1808 and all the census records show dates between 1804-1808 but you never know it may be worth pursuing.

Thanks

100%Gog

[100%Gog]

there is this marriage
St Peters Liverpool
William Hughes of the parish of Liverpool Mariner and Elizabeth Williams spinster of the same parish by Banns by Thos Knowles

Maybe worth investigating??

Suz

Hi Suz

Thanks for the information.

Sadly this is not him. I have his marriage certificate and he was married on Anglesey in 1840 and it states his father's occupation clearly as Tailor. However, if you go by the 1840 date for marriage he would have been between 32-36 years old which was quite old in those days to get married. Its possible that he may have been married before although the marriage certificate says he was a bachelor.

Although his life from 1840 (the first document I have of him) shows North Wales as his home until his death and the welshness of the names I am still convinced he is Liverpool born.

The search goes on!

100%Gog

[suzard]

are you taking his father's occupation from a copy of the marriage cert?

Have you seen the parish register???

Occupations are sometimes mistranscribed on marriage certs

I came across one which gave both father & sons occ as "Hangman" -they were in fact "dairyman" - parish register read correctly as did census details
Reg office said sometimes they just guess

Many times I have come across "Tailor" & "Sailor" being confused.

Was Hugh a tailor ? Often in that trade son would follow in father's footsteps

Suz
Suz

[suzard]

I have found this William

1851
85 Shaw's Brow Liverpool Lancs
William Hughes Head widower 68? (or60?) Tailor Abergele Denbighshire
John son U 30 Engraver Prescott Lancs
Jane daughter 14 Prescott
Sarah A Truman servant Liverpool
HO107 2185 47 15

Suz

[100%Gog]

are you taking his father's occupation from a copy of the marriage cert?

Have you seen the parish register???

Occupations are sometimes mistranscribed on marriage certs

I came across one which gave both father & sons occ as "Hangman" -they were in fact "dairyman" - parish register read correctly as did census details
Reg office said sometimes they just guess

Many times I have come across "Tailor" & "Sailor" being confused.

Was Hugh a tailor ? Often in that trade son would follow in father's footsteps

Suz
Suz

Suz,

I think you could have something there regarding occupation.

The marriage certificate I have I got from the local register office and is handwritten by the registrar. So I had not seen a copy of the original entry like you receive from the GRO. This is one of the failings of LRO certificates compared to GRO ones. Even though LRO ones look better

I have found the parish record on FindMyPast and I have to be honest the occupation could either be Sailor or Tailor. Hugh's occupation was Agricultural Labourer so there was no following in the father's footsteps.

Going back to the marriage you mentioned in an earlier message for a William Hughes (Mariner) and Elizabeth Williams in Liverpool this may now have some meaning. Hugh's eldest daughters were an Elizabeth and Mary, I am guessing Mary was named after Hugh's mother in law as she was Mary also therefore, could it be that Elizabeth was named after the other grandmother Hugh's mother Elizabeth Williams?

This is really worth investigating further!

Big thanks
100%Gog