George Crouch and family 1841 Census

[NDRFT]

Hi again Valerie

Beans on toast - mmm- yep that will do very nicely!!

I think this whole aspect needs more consolidation by you and probably Sharon so that you can focus on what you have been given and what you may need in the future otherwise it is getting overwhelming isn't it and so much info . I told Sharon there was a great deal of very kind and very clever people in here and she is getting that on this thread.

So have a look at what you have and do let me know if you think I can help more.

Enjoy supper

Nigel

[Ann0ra]

Nigel and LizzieL and Valerie,

Yes, I am taking up the quest with all your information and help.

I see that Valerie is still with me, and I am greatful to her.  I did not think that she could lay this one down, she got too involved and I love it.  I am so greatful for all your hard work and interest.  I can't thank you all enough.  I am learning so much, getting records I didn't even know how to access from here in the states.  I guess you have to call be a beginner. 

I will be buying the CD but would still like all your input as you seem to under stand the history and culture of you country better then I do.  I am taking this all in and I love it.

Just want to inject here.   My Mother lived with and was raised with Percilla's grand daughter, Eliza Alice Nelson.  Eliza lived in Benson, Iowa U.S. while Percilla was still alive and young.  This story was told to my Mother by her grandmother Eliza who was told the story by Percilla.
 
I looked up Wells in England and their royality, Percilla would have been of age to be out and about.  I am not ready to give up on her story yet.  I just can not quite believe it is all made up.   Especially sence my cousin went to York this year and was told that there was a Wells girl that ran away with her mail coachman and the family turned their backs on them.  She brought back the
information but has misplaced it.  Sad!

The George Caleb Crouch I have on my tree was born inCollingbourne Kingston, Wiltshire.  He has a brother William.  His parents are John Crouch 1758 and Jenny White 1760.  I am hearing he may not be the correct George Crouch?

I too am getting a bigger piece of paper.

Thank you all again, later.

Sharon - California - US

[Ann0ra]

 I have a lot of new information to working on. 

I still will welcome any information others want to share.   

Thank you again.
Sharon

[Designer Jeans]

Sorry Sharon, George Crouch of Collingbourne Kingston isn't yours (I never did like the look of him).

Your George is the son of Thomas and Mary Crutch of Ascot baptised 25/5/1790

From the excellent help we have been given today his family is

Children of Thomas and Mary Crutch of Ascot
Martha 1781 (?) (son William chimney sweep)
Martin 2/10/1785 mar Sarah Higgins
**Mary 1786 (spinster)
George 25/5/1790 mar Priscilla Cam
Richard 12/1/1794
John 27/5/1798

I have found references on old Roots Web threads to another brother, James 1772 (mar Ann Neville born 1774) who is reputed to be the father of the Edward bpt 1807 who married his cousin Priscilla 12/9/1831, but that gives a big gap in children between 1772 and 1781?

**15/2/1807 Priscilla 15/2/1807 bastard d/o Mary
Chearsley
29/3/1812 Rosetta illeg dau of Mary Crutch
14/5/1815 Mary illeg dau of Mary Cruch (mar James Piddington)
17/8/1834 George illeg son of Mary Crutch of Chearsley
I think that is what is known as a repeater!

Sharon to confirm, but I think the list of George and Priscilla's children were the only facts we started with. 

Any sightings of Priscilla Cam would be most welcome.

Once again, thank you all, what teamwork!

Valerie

[Ann0ra]

Valerie,

You mean I have to tell my cousin in Wiltshire she is not my cousin.

We are now good friends, and that will not change.   

Working on a new tree.  I will have to be notifying all the ancestry members that have
trusted my work about the new George Crouch and family.  So greatful for yours and
the teams work.

I will be in touch,
Sharon

[Evelyn Croutch]

George and Priscilla Crouch's son Francis born in 1832 is my husband's 3rd Great Grandfather, I have been trying to help him put together his family tree. My husband Gerald was born in Ontario around the same area where the Crouch family settled after they came from England, it seems they came to Canada around 1848 and lived East Gwillimbury which is around the Pickering area.
It seems that after George Crouch died Francis's mother Priscilla and his brothers and sisters left Ontario leaving Francis there and they move down to the US. We find out that somehow we being the descendants of Francis we have the T in the Crouch name (Croutch) while as the rest of the other part of the family are Crouch. Priscilla has the Croutch name with a T on her headstone and also say she was born May 19 1798, died Jan 5 1876, aged 77 ys 7 ms and 17 days, her grave is in Benton, Iowa, US.
I have been working with Sharon trying to find where in England they came from, I seem to think that Yorkshire is connected because of the community in Ontario they live were mostly Yorkshire Native.
I hope to hear from you all that might be interested and give us any details that you know of.
I am hoping we all can get some answers and we need all the help we can get.
From Evelyn and Gerald in British Columbia, Canada.

 

[LizzieL]

**15/2/1807 Priscilla 15/2/1807 bastard d/o Mary
Chearsley
29/3/1812 Rosetta illeg dau of Mary Crutch
14/5/1815 Mary illeg dau of Mary Cruch (mar James Piddington)
17/8/1834 George illeg son of Mary Crutch of Chearsley

I suspect that George (1834) was the son of Mary jnr (b 1815), her mother would be a bit old by then. George Crutch age 4 is with James and Mary Piddington in 1841. I think I have also found George in 1861, as George Crouch b Chearsley abt 1835 Ag lab cowman, with wife Sarah and daughter Elizabeth age 4. Living at Stone near Aylesbury.

Mary jnr named a father (Jonah Rose) on her marriage record. This sounds genuine - if made up, the illegitimate child would usually give the same surname for the father as her own. It implies that Mary snr and Jonah were in an accepted non-married relationship and quite possible Rosetta is also theirs (Rose - Rosetta - using a variation of father's surname as forename?).

[Designer Jeans]

Hi

There is an old thread on RootsWeb suggesting that Thomas and Mary at the top of the tree were from Bicester, but that it has not been possible to substantiate this.

Also apparently, the IGI has Mary dau of Martin and Elizabeth Crutch bpt 9/10/1791 Chesterton, Oxon. 

Possible that Thomas and Martin were brothers?

Valerie

[Ann0ra]

I had forgotten I had this.

A Little booklet from the past.


This little booklet was found in a box of family records.
It may have belonged to Percilla.

It is bound on one edge by thread and is on plain paper about 4 x 6, and is very old.

Notice how her name is spelled Prissler and the t in Croutch.

It appears that Percilla may have kept a record of all her children's birth.
Her birth date.
George's birth date and death date.
Her marriage date.

The is what is in those pages:

Elizabeth was born Dec 16, 1817
Thomas was born Oct 11, 1819     Was Married Aug 27,1842
Charles was born July 21, 1821
Jane was born Oct 2, 1823
John was born Feb 21, 1826
Alfred was born April 21, 1828
Alfred was born July 21, 1829
Frances was born Feb 17, 1832
George was born April 21, 1834
Emma was born Mar 10, 1836
Caleb was born Mar 19, 1838
Eliza was born April 16, 1840   

George Croutch was born 21 June, 1792 died June 29, 1864
Prissler Croutch was born May 19, 1797
Prissler was married Mar 10, 1816
.
These dates are all written down in a handmade thread bound booklet.  I think I need to stick with these dates. 
She did not put down in what town they were born.
Eliza said she was born in Yorkshire.

I know that Pricilla died 1/5/1876 in Benton, Iowa US.  Below I copied from the headstone page.
 

PRICILLA CROUTCH
Mound Cemetery
Benton County, Iowa

Born: [May 19, 1798] Died: jan. 5, 1876
Aged 77 Ys 7 Ms 17 Ds

Sharon - US