Completed: Surplus from Belfast

[Degsy1946]

Thanks for the Findmy Past suggestion, have had a look but nothing "looks right" on there. His youngest daughter ( still living) was born in 1923 so was still in Ireland until at least late 1922, and to pre-empt the obvious question, no she doesn't know what happened to him either!

Just as a further comment any other info with regard to Thomas ( who died 1899) would be of great interest.

[aghadowey]

Will let you know of I can find anything else.

[aghadowey]

A bit more about the Surplus family-

Richard Surplus (c1833-19 Apr.1877), son of James, m.(25 Aug.1854 Donegall St. Presbyterian Church) Margaret McNaughten, dau. of John
     Marriage: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG6V-2JC
     Belfast Newsletter, 30 Aug.1854: August 25, in the Presbyterian Church, Donegall Street, by the Rev. Isaac Nelson, Mr Richard Surplus, to Miss Margaret M'Naghten, both of Belfast.
     Belfast Newsletter, 20 Apr.1877: SURPLUS- April 19, at 41, Gaffikin Street, Belfast, Richard Surplus, aged 44 years.
1.   Thomas Surplus m.(8 Dec.1884) Maria Smith/Smyth
2.   Richard Surplus (11 Feb.1864-12 Nov.1869)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRHP-H19
        Belfast Newsletter, 13 Nov.1869: SURPLUS- At 103. Colin View, Belfast, Richard, son of Richard Surplus, aged 6 years.
3.   Robina Surplus (1 Feb.1868)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F536-RM8
4.   Richard James Surplus (20 Aug.1873-25 Feb.1934) m.(22 Oct.1893) Esther Richardson (c1875 England?-25 June 1952)
     Birth: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPBN-36D
     www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ormeau/Walmer_Street/1213904
     www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Cromac/Pine_Street/166125
     1918- Surplus, Richd., printer, 57 Spruce Street
     Surplus Richard James of 13 Chambers Street Belfast printer died 25 February 1934 Administration Belfast 16 April to Esther Surplus the widow. Effects £299 4s. 4d.
     Dundonald Cemetery (E4 375): Richard James Surplus, 39 Abott St., age 12, died 19 Dec.1908, buried 20 Dec.1908. Robina Shields, 3 Shore St., age 25, died 6 Oct.1927, buried 8 Oct.1927. Richard James Surplus, 13 Chambers St., age 60, died 25 Feb.1934, buried 27 Feb.1934. Esther Surplus, 48 Windsor Rd., age 76, died 25 June 1952, buried 27 June 1952.
     1.   Elizabeth Harlow “Lillie” (19 Jan.1894-6 Dec.1902)
        Belfast Newsletter, 8 Dec.1902: SURPLUS- December 6, at 27, Belmore Street, Elizabeth (Lillie) Surplus, aged eight years. The remains of our beloved child will be removed, for interment in Shankill Burying-ground, this (Monday) afternoon, at two o’clock. Friends will please accept this intimation. Richard and Esther Surplus
     2.   Richard James (13 Jan.1896-19 Dec.1908)
     3.   Margaret McNaughten (3 May 1898) m.(29 June 1921) John Chambers
     4.   Robina (13 May 1902-6 Oct.1927) m.(27 Dec.1920) John Gibson Shields
        ? Roselawn Cemetery (C 267) John Gibson Shields, 23 Ashley Rd., age 66, died 26 Feb.1964, buried 28 Feb.1964. Nora May Shields, 23 Ashley Dr., age 76, died 22 May 1988, buried 25 May 1988.
     5.   Norman Charles (19 Jan.1905)
     6.   Josephine Major (19 Sept.1907)
     7.   John Richardson (2 May 1910)

[Degsy1946]

Once again, thank you very much, there is a lot to digest there , so might take a little time for me to get my head around that with all the different and new names that you have thrown up. Just about the only bit I already had was Thomas Surplus and Maria Smyth.
Sadly no sign of the elusive James! 

[BallyaltikilliganG]

Have you searched http://libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger use both Surplus and Surplice

[Degsy1946]

Thank you for the suggestion, looks a very useful site, no luck so far for Surplus or alternatives, but did find another relative from a different Family Tree I have.

Degsy

[Degsy1946]

Many thanks to everyone for all your help, will call this request closed now,

Regards,
Degsy

[Barbara Surplus]

A bit more about the Surplus family-

Richard Surplus (c1833-19 Apr.1877), son of James, m.(25 Aug.1854 Donegall St. Presbyterian Church) Margaret McNaughten, dau. of John
     Marriage: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG6V-2JC
     Belfast Newsletter, 30 Aug.1854: August 25, in the Presbyterian Church, Donegall Street, by the Rev. Isaac Nelson, Mr Richard Surplus, to Miss Margaret M'Naghten, both of Belfast.
     Belfast Newsletter, 20 Apr.1877: SURPLUS- April 19, at 41, Gaffikin Street, Belfast, Richard Surplus, aged 44 years.
1.   Thomas Surplus m.(8 Dec.1884) Maria Smith/Smyth
2.   Richard Surplus (11 Feb.1864-12 Nov.1869)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRHP-H19
        Belfast Newsletter, 13 Nov.1869: SURPLUS- At 103. Colin View, Belfast, Richard, son of Richard Surplus, aged 6 years.
3.   Robina Surplus (1 Feb.1868)
        Birth: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F536-RM8
4.   Richard James Surplus (20 Aug.1873-25 Feb.1934) m.(22 Oct.1893) Esther Richardson (c1875 England?-25 June 1952)
     Birth: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPBN-36D
     www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ormeau/Walmer_Street/1213904
     www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Cromac/Pine_Street/166125
     1918- Surplus, Richd., printer, 57 Spruce Street
     Surplus Richard James of 13 Chambers Street Belfast printer died 25 February 1934 Administration Belfast 16 April to Esther Surplus the widow. Effects £299 4s. 4d.
     Dundonald Cemetery (E4 375): Richard James Surplus, 39 Abott St., age 12, died 19 Dec.1908, buried 20 Dec.1908. Robina Shields, 3 Shore St., age 25, died 6 Oct.1927, buried 8 Oct.1927. Richard James Surplus, 13 Chambers St., age 60, died 25 Feb.1934, buried 27 Feb.1934. Esther Surplus, 48 Windsor Rd., age 76, died 25 June 1952, buried 27 June 1952.
     1.   Elizabeth Harlow “Lillie” (19 Jan.1894-6 Dec.1902)
        Belfast Newsletter, 8 Dec.1902: SURPLUS- December 6, at 27, Belmore Street, Elizabeth (Lillie) Surplus, aged eight years. The remains of our beloved child will be removed, for interment in Shankill Burying-ground, this (Monday) afternoon, at two o’clock. Friends will please accept this intimation. Richard and Esther Surplus
     2.   Richard James (13 Jan.1896-19 Dec.1908)
     3.   Margaret McNaughten (3 May 1898) m.(29 June 1921) John Chambers
     4.   Robina (13 May 1902-6 Oct.1927) m.(27 Dec.1920) John Gibson Shields
        ? Roselawn Cemetery (C 267) John Gibson Shields, 23 Ashley Rd., age 66, died 26 Feb.1964, buried 28 Feb.1964. Nora May Shields, 23 Ashley Dr., age 76, died 22 May 1988, buried 25 May 1988.
     5.   Norman Charles (19 Jan.1905)
     6.   Josephine Major (19 Sept.1907)
     7.   John Richardson (2 May 1910)

Degsy, I am from this family and, if you would kindly PM me, I would be happy to share the contact information for my cousin in England who has compiled the family genealogy.  In the meantime, I can tell you that there were other children after John Richardson.  There was a sister, Doreen, and my dad, Richard James who was born in 1919.  He was the youngest.  I only ever knew my Aunts Doreen Adams and Josephine ("Jassie") Mawhirt.  The others had all died long before I was born.  I hope I can help you find out more information.
Barbara

[Barbara Surplus]

Have a look at migration records fee paying or credit purchases or special deals, but indexes free!
I just tried Surplus on
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/results/world-records-in-travel-and-migration?lastname=surplus

3 Richard Surplus b 1920-1921 were passengers to to New York in 1944-45,
2 Richard Surplus b 1952- were passengers to canada one child 1953 to Quebec , perhaps the same or another in 1956 to Montreal

If you start searching the site above, try port of departure as Belfast. or Belfast and Liverpool, other Surplus are leaving

Degsy, the Richard Surplus born 1952 is my brother. I doubt the Richard born 1920/21 is my dad, Richard James, as his year of birth is 1919 and I believe he arrived in Canada through Quebec in the early 50s although there is no indication on the findmypast index of his arrival in Canada.  He died in 1966 so we were never able to have these conversations about his life.