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Looking for Charles Livermore senior in 1871
« on: Sunday 12 July 15 15:51 BST (UK) »
Charles Livermore married Winifred Eaton on 24 August 1884 at St Andrews Enfield. he named his father as Charles. He was 19 making his year of birth about 1865. I can trace Charles (jnr) and Winifred on several censuses and although his year of birth varies by a couple of years, his place of birth is always Edmonton. The problem is I can't find Charles, with father also called Charles on 1871 or 1881 censuses when he would be most likely living with his parents.

has anyone a sharper pair of eyes. please
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Looking for Charles Livermore senior in 1871
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 12 July 15 15:55 BST (UK) »
What about 1881 as stepson in house of James Rogers

Class: RG11/1388/112 p 41;

5 Eaton Place Upper Fore St Edmonton
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: Looking for Charles Livermore senior in 1871
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 12 July 15 16:00 BST (UK) »
Aha.  I see your problem - this Charles is apparently with parents THOMAS and Elizabeth in the 1871 in Edmonton
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: Looking for Charles Livermore senior in 1871
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 12 July 15 16:00 BST (UK) »
yes that was the only family I could find as well.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Looking for Charles Livermore senior in 1871
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 July 15 16:02 BST (UK) »
There is of course the possibility that the 'Charles' shown as father on the wedding info is incorrect, and repeats Charles Junior's name in error.

Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: Looking for Charles Livermore senior in 1871
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 July 15 16:05 BST (UK) »
Have you got Charles' birth certificate?

Apparently

Charles Livermore
Year:   1866
Quarter:   Apr-May-Jun   
Edmonton
Middlesex
Volume:   3a
Page:   169

Which would of course confirm his father's name
Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex

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Re: Looking for Charles Livermore senior in 1871
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 12 July 15 16:26 BST (UK) »
Dob a bit out
Bonnetts Yard, Enfield, Edmonton 1871
RG10/1343  65/12

William Munns  head  mar  56  Ag Labourer
Susan    "         wife   mar  55
Elizabeth "        dau    unm 19
Anne       "        dau            13
Charles Livermore son in law  mar  22     Ag Labourer
Sarah       "           dau           mar  22
Charles     "         grandson              2

All born Enfield, Middlesex.

Cathy
Sinnock/Sinnicks...Brighton,Greenwich.
Clements,Coles,Mc Donagh,Rock

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Re: Looking for Charles Livermore senior in 1871
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 July 15 17:00 BST (UK) »
I've found the marriage for this couple, he was Charles Robert Livermore and their marriage was registered Q3 1870, so little Charles would be born before they married. I can't find a registration for him, not as Livermore or Munns.

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I think he was registered as Walter Charles Livermore Q1 1871 and should be 2 months not 2 years, which would tie up with a baptism in Feb 1871 of a Walter Charles to Charles Robert and Sarah Ann Livermore. dob is given as 24 jan 1871
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Looking for Charles Livermore senior in 1871
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 04 November 15 20:31 GMT (UK) »
I have these Livermores in my tree connecting to my Sleaths and also my Pinnucks.
Ashe-Marlborough. Auchincloss-Glasgow. Dickey-Ireland,Scotland,USA. Ebben-Enfield. Fewins-St Austell, Ohio
Hall-Mdx & Northumberland. Heard/Hurd/Herd-Dry Drayton Cambs. Hillhouse-Scotland,USA.  Horton-West Bromwich,Greenwich Kent, Mdx, Surrey.  Kelly-High Beech, Essex.  Livermore-Enfield.  Malyon-Mdx.  Medcalf-Enfield Mdx, Cheshunt Herts.  Metcalfe-Dry Drayton Cam.  Saunders-Uxbridge, Enfield.  Sleath-Enfield.  Snelling-Storrington.  Stretton-Greenwich,Lee.  Wiltshire-Enfield.  Woodfield-Enfield
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