Janetta Pansy Glendora Banfield

[avm228]

In 1881 William junior appears (aged 28 b Brighton) in Chelsea with "wife" Harriett b abt 1847 Clerkenwell (did they actually marry?).

In 1886 Harriet and Horace were acquitted of larceny from William.  They had been charged with stealing a rug and a gold pin from him.

[rutht22000]

perhaps if Janetta was up for changing her name - having a father who was a Police Officer does sound better than a labourer in the respectability stakes but I think looking at it:

William was a labourer first when they were down in Sussex, possibly coming up to London to join the Met from 1858 ish (Walter's birth), through the 1861 census and something happens between then and Percy's birth in 1869 to send him back to being a Labourer as per the 1871 census.

All the weddings are post 1871 so they would know him as a labourer then perhaps? Walter being the exception!

Its such a shame that Ada, Herbert and Horace's christenings seem to be hiding as they could narrow it down even more 

Ada was our best bet for a name change but she is definitely Mrs Gosling.   There isn't a girl that remotely fits otherwise....

[Milliepede]

Snap was just going to post that and the name underneath is Beer - Edwin Beer 44 traveller 12 calendar months in Wandsworth.

[groom]

If Martha died before 1881 and so William really was a widower, I wonder if the younger children have been fostered out and are recorded under that family's name, or are in the Workhouse?

[keyboard86]

Snap was just going to post that and the name underneath is Beer - Edwin Beer 44 traveller 12 calendar months in Wandsworth.

Sorry can I please know when?
Keyboard86

[avm228]

Snap was just going to post that and the name underneath is Beer - Edwin Beer 44 traveller 12 calendar months in Wandsworth.

Sorry can I please know when?
Keyboard86

This is in the calendar of prisoners, 1886.  Edwin Beer's offence (which came before Lambeth police court) was unconnected with the charges brought against the Banfield pair (Southwark police court).

[avm228]

Has anyone looked at Henry Banfield who in 1881 was 32 (so born abt 1849) born Sussex and living in Estcourt Rd, Fulham with "wife" (did they marry?) Elizabeth b abt 1843 Fulham.  NB Estcourt Rd is the same road where William & Ernest were lodging in 1881.

I can't work out whether he is Harry with his age wrong, or a separate person.

Walter's 1900 army records state NOK as brother Henry Banfield of 67 Ryleston Rd, Fulham.

I keep hoping one of them will have had Martha as a witness to a marriage!

[keyboard86]

Hi in 1901, take your pick RG13/61/7/5 or RG13/64/77/4?
Keyboard

[avm228]

Hi in 1901, take your pick RG13/61/7/5 or RG13/64/77/4?
Keyboard

Excellent. RG13/61/7/5 shows Harry at 67 "Rylston" Rd, Fulham, so he is Walter's named next of kin.