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1875 marriage in Limerick
« on: Friday 24 July 15 20:59 BST (UK) »
I have a copy of a marriage certificate from 1875, but I'm totally confused by some parts of it.  I have to confess I have not done any research in Ireland so I'm woefully ignorant.   :(

The marriage took place in "the parish church in the parish of St Michael" in the City of Limerick by licence.  It also states that the marriage took place "in the Catholic Church according to the rites and ceremonies of the Church of Ireland."

I had thought that the Church of Ireland was Anglican. 

Would I expect to find this entry in the registers recently released online by NLI?

Any help welcome.

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Re: 1875 marriage in Limerick
« Reply #1 on: Friday 24 July 15 23:15 BST (UK) »
Does it say who married them?    That might help clarify matters.

http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635030#page/1/mode/1up
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Re: 1875 marriage in Limerick
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 25 July 15 21:28 BST (UK) »
The name on the certifcate of the officiating clergyman was Alfred F Dawn.  Tried looking for info about him but drew a blank.

The bride was Irish and apparently lived in Prospect Row (not found that on a map either :( ) and so probably Catholic and the groom was a soldier.  Their children gave a variety of religions on later census in Canada and the USA.

I haven't found the entry in the NLI registers.

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Re: 1875 marriage in Limerick
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 25 July 15 22:04 BST (UK) »
Prospect Row, Limerick seems to be connected to the New Barracks- see here

could the clergyman's surname be Dann rather than Dawn?
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Re: 1875 marriage in Limerick
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 25 July 15 22:07 BST (UK) »
Prospect Row also appears in Griffith's Valuation- see map here
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Re: 1875 marriage in Limerick
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 25 July 15 22:14 BST (UK) »
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could the clergyman's surname be Dann rather than Dawn?

Entirely possible - at the mercy of the transcriber at the GRO in Dublin  :(

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Re: 1875 marriage in Limerick
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 25 July 15 23:11 BST (UK) »
http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/06%2023%201925%20dann,%20enright.pdf

http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/history/coleschurchandparishrecords/colesrecordsindex/index_297_316.pdf

Hello

Alfred  George Dann was a protestant clergy man who was in St Michael's protestant parish in Limerick.  I don't know why the marriage was held in an RC church.  Could you show the whole certificate?  See links above , there is an obituary for his widow who died in Vancouver Canada at her daughter's residence and some info about his career.  My g g grandmother was protestant, she married an RC, the ceremony was held in an Trinity church parish of St Michaels (protestant) 1871 Hall was the clergyman's name

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Re: 1875 marriage in Limerick
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 26 July 15 06:06 BST (UK) »
Couple of thoughts.

Firstly legibility. Although the snippet you provided looks clear enough, is there any doubt over legibility, ie. could it say Parish Church rather than Catholic Church?

Secondly, the Catholic church marriage records I've seen explicitly say "in the Roman Catholic Chapel / Church of...".  Is there any chance this marriage took place in the Church of Ireland and the reference to "catholic" church is not to the RC church, rather it is meant in its Church of Ireland liturgical sense, ie. as in the "one holy catholic and apostolic Church" of the Nicene Creed, as the following link explains?:

http://ireland.anglican.org/information/6

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Re: 1875 marriage in Limerick
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 26 July 15 21:19 BST (UK) »
The certificate is a copy from the GRO in Dublin and was transcribed by them, so the very legible copy is their interpretation of the original entry.  If there was any possibility that it might say 'Parish' rather than 'catholic' I can't say  :-\

Thank you, aghadowey, for those links - the maps are useful.

The bride in question seems to have told several versions of her age - and the certificate is no help since it says full age.  The story that has come to me is that she was only 16 when she married.  However, 6 years later (1881) she claimed to be 34, was recorded as 46 in 1901 and died at the age of 73 in 1932.

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