Ellen Hyde died Adelaide in 1917: sister of Peter Lalor?

[cando]

Margaret/Helen/Ellen born c1808...bit old to have a child in c1872.

Cando

[cupoflife]

1917 death of Mrs. Ellen Hyde mother of Eva Pritchard, also not possible to be Peter Lalor's sister Margarett Ellen/Helen born 1808.
 

[jc33a]

Of Peter Lalor's three known sisters Margaret, Mary and Catherine, only one (Mary) survived to adulthood because she was described as Patt Lalor's 'only dughter' when she married Joseph Fox in 1845.
This Ellen clearly wasn't a sister, but doesn't appear to have been a niece either (I have all theri names). Her burial record (FindMyPast) states she was widowed and 65 (of New Parkside) when she died.
I don't know anything about SA records - the impressions I get is their BMD info is a lot less than the (marvellous) Qld ones ( am used to.
John

[cando]

This Ellen clearly wasn't a sister, but doesn't appear to have been a niece either (I have all theri names).

All the names of the nieces of whom?  If Ellen was the dau of one of Peter's brothers then she would be a niece.

Contact the Adelaide Cemeteries Authority re their registers and burial orders for Ellen/Helen.  Perhaps there was a parish burial record as well ie if a Catholic priest officiated at her burial.  Her correct age at death is necessary.

The signatures of the witnesses on Eva's marriage certificate may be helpful also.  Her father was described as Edward HYDE of North Adelaide....if he existed surely he would have given his consent for his dau who was a minor, to marry.  I wonder why a 19 year old ?Catholic girl married at the Wesleyan Parsonage in North Adelaide and not a church.

You are correct that South Australian Certificates have scant information and there is little more than is available on indexes which many of us have on CD. The Colony of South Australia adopted the English system of recording bdm information. There is also a BDM index on SAGenealogy and for a fee they will send you all the information on the certificates.

Information on South Australian Certificates
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368744.0
Including info on death certs...
1908-1947
    Date and Place of Death
    Name
    Sex
    Age
    Occupation
    Usual Residence
    Birthplace
    Length of Residence in Commonwealth
    Age at Marriage
    Number of Issue Living and Deceased
    Cause of Death
    Place of Death
    Informant

Wonder at what age she married?

I didn't post the death registration as I assumed you would have at least purchased this certificate. 

HYDE Ellen  65 years Status Widow  Relative Edward HYDE [Deceased Husband]
26 May 1917
Residence New Parkside  Death Place New Parkside  Ade 410/288

It is possible that none of the story is true.  People often claim to be related to well known people because they shared the same surname.  Family stories

Wonder what is the place of birth and length of residence in the Commonwealth on this death certificate?

PRITCHARD Eva  51 years  Status Married  Relative Frederick PRITCHARD [Husband]
9 Dec 1923
Residence Parkside  Death Place North Adelaide  Ade H 467/130
Symbol H = Died in hospital or place of care.

Transcriptions are available from SAGenealogy or Graham Jaunay.  Google for websites.

Cando

[Essie]

"Peter LALOR was born 1827 his mother died in 1835.  How could a woman born c1857 be his sister?"

Did Patt LALOR have a second wife and a second family?

Essie

[cando]

"Peter LALOR was born 1827 his mother died in 1835.  How could a woman born c1857 be his sister?"

Did Patt LALOR have a second wife and a second family?

Essie

From link in reply#2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lalor
His mother died on 4 June 1835 and his father then married Ellen Mary Anne Loughnan with whom he had no children.

Cheers
Cando

[cando]

And

http://www.ballaratgenealogy.org.au/ballarat-history/eureka/item/341-genealogy-of-the-lalor-family  perhaps our OP may consider emailing some of the people who have contributed to the info on that link.

I did not see any mention of any Ellen as a sibling for Peter Lalor born 1827, the youngest child.   



Cheers,  JM

From the above link and to I note you have contributed some information...

Anne died on 4th Jun 1835 and between September 5, 1848 and October 15, 1850 Patrick married Ellen Mary Anne Loughnan. They had no known children. Patt died on 10 Apr 1856.

Cando

[jc33a]

Yes patt Lalor did marry again but his second wife was aged over 45.

[cando]

Have you based your LALOR connection purely on these new items or do you have some other documents to support this relationship?

Cando