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Help with identifying uniform, please?
« on: Thursday 24 September 15 23:16 BST (UK) »
The attached picture is John Barned, 1835-1899.

He was in the 53rd Regiment, and also served in the Crimea. 

Can anyone help me with identifying the uniform in the photograph?  Its date is unknown, but might be in 1878 when he was 43, in Jersey marrying Jane Eliza Lamy aged 20  ;)

I bet he was very dashing.
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Re: Help with identifying uniform, please?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 September 15 17:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Igor....He does look to be in his early 40s doesn't he...is there nothing on the back to help ID the photographer?
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Re: Help with identifying uniform, please?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 26 September 15 14:35 BST (UK) »
This uniform was worn by the entire British Army pretty much.
As you know who it is surely you've already identified it.
Warks:Ashford;Cadby;Clarke;Clifford;Cooke Copage;Easthope;
Edmonds;Felton;Colledge;Lutwyche;Mander(s);May;Poole;Withers.
Staffs.Edmonds;Addison;Duffield;Webb;Fisher;Archer
Salop:Easthope,Eddowes,Hoorde,Oteley,Vernon,Talbot,De Neville.
Notts.Clarke;Redfearne;Treece.
Som.May;Perriman;Cox
India Kane;Felton;Cadby
London.Haysom.
Lancs.Gay.
Worcs.Coley;Mander;Sawyer.
Kings of Wessex & Scotland
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Re: Help with identifying uniform, please?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 September 15 15:52 BST (UK) »
You already know it, the 53rd Regiment, later the Kings Shropshire Light Infantry.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.


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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 27 September 15 20:33 BST (UK) »
Thank you all.

I had been told that the man had also been a Chelsea Pensioner - not sure if that is correct - and just wanted to be sure it was the 53rd Regiment uniform shown in the picture, which you have kindly confirmed.
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Re: Help with identifying uniform, please?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 27 September 15 22:09 BST (UK) »
On the 1881 census in Manchester aged 40 with Jane 23 and is son John G W aged 17 indexed as Barnes. Chelsey ( how its written) Pensioner. 30 Humphrey Street Chorlton upon Medlock.

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Re: Help with identifying uniform, please?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 27 September 15 22:15 BST (UK) »
1891 aged 50 with Jane 33 5 children and Ann L'amy mother in law in Woolwich. 47 Kidd Street
occ. General Labourer OSN? Barrack Woolwich Arsenal.

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Re: Help with identifying uniform, please?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 September 15 22:42 BST (UK) »
That's him!

Yes, there is the description "Chelsea" pensioner, but not quite sure how that fits with the Lancashire location and the apparent change in the next census.

Has always been a bit odd, and wondered whether a check of the uniform in the photo would shed any light.

Apparently the experts say not - it's his army uniform.

Perhaps the census description should have said "army pensioner" and this was somehow misinterpreted by the enumerator.

Thanks for looking!  :)
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Re: Help with identifying uniform, please?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 27 September 15 22:52 BST (UK) »
Chelsea Pensioner is the term for any Army  pensioner, he would have been classed as an out pensioner, as distinct from an in pensioner who would have worn the well known uniform.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.