Collins in Cork

[lyndo]

Thanks for all the work you have done Tara, and you too Sinann.

The only info that I have is anecdotal. Remembered by a grandchild who is now 81 yrs old.

There is no proof of anything.
The only thing I have is a family story that John Collins was a sea captain who went down with his ship. And that his youngest child Elena never knew her father much because he died when she was young.

The young couple John and Ellen, ran away to marry and went from Cork to Wales then back to Cork.

The mothers name was Ellen Moaksley.(spelling?)

And names of four sons.Danny, John, Jeremiah and James.

My understanding of it is they were in Cork city. But it might not be so.

That is all I have.

From that I found the 1911 census with the childrens names. (I realize now that another Collins family could have named their children exactly the same way.)

From that I found 1891 census record for Bedwelty in Wales.
That gave me "shoemaker" reference so I then found 1901 census in Cork.

 Then just by accident I stumbled onto the marine register death of John Collins.

So I just found the name and ran with it basically. Faulty premises following first mistake!!

You know Tara - what you have found makes sense to me.

I live in Australia and find it difficult to understand all the little towns and villages in Ireland.

I will follow through on all you have provided because I think that you are on the right track with this.

lyndo

[lyndo]

Tara -  just looking at that lunatic asylum record.

Did you find it looking for John Collins or just JC.?

On that 1911 census I did note that Ellen Collins is not recorded as a widow but as "Married"

Oh I can see that I have been too simplistic in my approach to this.

[lyndo]

 Can someone take a look at this record and have a go at deciphering what is written above "Wife"

Looks like 5 something. Any idea what it means.
Plenty of McCarthys in that same page of census records

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000570228/

[lyndo]

Well  - Thanks to you Tara,
 I finally got a lead.
The nephew Dennis Collins in jail with Uncle John looking out for him.

Denis Morris Collins
Sep qtr 1888 Merthyr Tydfil RD
Volume: 11a p 553

yippee.

[Sinann]

Can someone take a look at this record and have a go at deciphering what is written above "Wife"

Looks like 5 something. Any idea what it means.
Plenty of McCarthys in that same page of census records

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000570228/

It just the letter F,
It's not the only thing on that page that has been changed, all that column has stuff rubbed out, I think John started to fill it in as a occupations column, that scholar or something has been rubbed out for each of the children, there is something underneath each entry at any rate, also Hannah, Dan and John have alterations made.
It's unlikely to have any significant effect on the information gleaned from the return just someone getting confused with what went where or how best to name the children.
Read and Write has been changed for James as well to Cannot read, looks like the enumerator did that one at least.

Ah looking some more I think he changed the order the children were listed, so had to change Daughter to Son and vica versa and than the ages

[lyndo]

Thanks Sinann,

I have seen that ghost writing on some other census records I have.

It never occurred to me that it was rubbing out marks. But of course it would be lead pencil.
They couldn't drag around an inkwell and pen and nib and blotters.

I remember how awful that was when I was growing up. Fortunately biros came when I was about 12.
lyndo

[taramcdsmall]

UGH Lyndo

So, are you saying that none of what you presented in your original pos is fact.

Can we go back to basics then ?

What Collins person is your blood ?

Can you tell us what facts you have on that person and then we can relook at this ?!

Tara

[lyndo]

This is the ONLY facts I have.

Marriage 5th June 1928
John Monaher  Barman  father Pt. Monaher Railway worker. 1 Corbetts Square, O.Y.Rd

Lena Collins  father John Collins deceased 194 O.Y.Rd,

Church of St Joseph Registrar District 1 Union of Cork  in the County of York.

 Uggh is right Tara  -  but the Corbett place 1911 census seems right don't you think from this and those boys in prison with John Collins in Corbett Lane as family contact which you found??

[taramcdsmall]

Do you have the actual marriage cert ?

Is there not an occupation down for John ?

Tara