SOUTHSEA - Electoral roll late 40s / 50s

[yelkcub]

I'm pleased to have come across a photograph of a relative I have so far failed to trace. FREDERICK (or FRED or FREDDY) HORSFALL, born 1888, after his discharge from RM Artillery lived at 38 [?] WIMBOURNE ROAD, SOUTHSEA. I think his wife's name was Constance Isabella (formerly Williams), and to the best of my limited knowledge I think the couple were childless. 

I can not find the date / place of Frederick's death. I would be most grateful if someone with ready access to the Electoral Roll for Southsea could find out when Frederick and Isabella ceased to be listed at that address.

The photograph is not easy to date: Frederick was 51 on his discharge, and in the photo he looks to be in his later 50s. If anyone seeing this posting can suggest any other strategies to discover more about this person, who was my father's maternal uncle, I'd be thankful as I've come to a dead end for the moment.

[rosie99]

Do you have his marriage 

[yelkcub]

Hi, Rosie99. From FreeBmd I have the marriage at Portsmouth, 1919 (the surname spelling listed as 'Horsfal')

Also in FreeBMD there is a ‘Fred T Horsfall’ death in Portsmouth, March Q, 1969, aged 87 (so born c. 1882, whereas my grandmother’s brother was born 1888, and as far as I know had no middle initial] I suppose this might be 'my' Fred, despite the two anomalies. Death certs can contain faulty information, especially if, at the time of death, the deceased had no available kin.

[rosie99]

Thanks for the marriage link   

That death ties in with Fred Tatley Horsfall bn 1882 datewise but I am not discounting it yet.  I wish he had left a will.

[yelkcub]

Thank you, Rosie99 – just to say that the name 'Tatley' has no meaning in the context of my Horsfall family; sounds like a mother's maiden name given as a middle name; Frederick's mother's maiden name was Hoyle.

[yelkcub]

I'd like to thank you, Rosie99 for taking an interest in my search for more information on my grandmother's brother. For now, I suppose, his date of death must remain a mystery. As you say, it would be unwise completely to rule out the 'Fred Tatley Horsfall' death you mentioned, though it seems unlikely - probably a matter of obtaining FTH's death cert., to see if there are any telling details.

[rosie99]

I am not convinced about Fred T' s death and wouldn't be spending £9.25 yet    Don't forget the 1939 registration is due out any time now.....

I see that his wife was just indexed as Isabella Williams, where does the Constance come from.

[yelkcub]

Fred H enlisted in the Royal Marine Artillery 5 February 1907 [# 211927]. Married in Portsmouth, 1919. On his service record his next of kin was his mother. This was later crossed through and ‘wife’ inserted: the address given was The School House, Wokingham; that too was crossed through and 207 Westfield Road, Portsmouth added. On discharge, the Wimbourne Road address was recorded. It's a while since I started my research into Fred, but I'm fairly sure I got the 'Constance' part of her name from the census. In the 1911 census Isabella is listed  as a shop assistant living with her widowed mother 16 Victory Road, Portsea.

[rosie99]

I had presumed that the one you found in 1911 married in 1912 

December qtr 1912   
Frederick S Hill   
Constance I Williams - spouse  Hill   
Portsmouth reg dist    2b   1109