John Henry Ransome, where did he come from?

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Hi all first of what I'm sure will be many posts here and its it to do with something i've had quite some trouble with. My trouble is with my 3xgreat grandfather John Henry Ransome. Here's what I currently know

• Arrived in NZ sometime prior to Apr 1881, when he married Mary Marsh in Wellington, his name is mistranscribed as Ransoure on BDM
  
• Lived in wellington, presumably in Newtown where his children, my 2xggm Maud (born 24 Dec 1881) and Effie Louise (born Jun 1883) were born
  
• Moved to Masterton some time during early 1885 upon which time he started business as a chimney sweep
• Died on the 28th May 1886, aged just 30 from an attack of typhoid, surprisingly for a chimney sweep there is a good write up in the local paper about his death which shows him to have been quite a popular man
• His wife remarried to even more of an enigma, Wilhelm/William John/Johann Kobrow/Coburn/Cobourn and had a son who's birth wasn't registered but thats another post


Now my problems


He fails to appear on any electoral rolls even after universal suffrage for men is introduced.

Having died so young (his eldest daughter was only 5) nothing is known about him in the family, my granddad knows very little.

My main goal here is just to find out where he came from, I scoured through every John Henry/John/Henry Ransome/Ransom born approx 1850 in the 1861 UK census but I found nothing, it doesnt look as though his family came out as well as there are very few Ransome's in NZ and none that add up to him being a child of (that I've found), nor was he born here. There is a possible immigration record on Family Search but I'm not entirely confident it's him.  A death certificate would help but frankly I can't afford it, plus I also have a feeling it may not tell me much. So any information above what I have would be fantastic.

Cheers, Sam

[jaybelnz]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat. There is an 1886 burial record for a John Ransome in Masterton.

http://www.mstn.govt.nz/services/cemetery/index.php?record=000342&id=search&last_name=&first_name=&cemetery=archer&start=10180

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Hi and welcome to Rootschat. There is an 1886 burial record for a John Ransome in Masterton.

http://www.mstn.govt.nz/services/cemetery/index.php?record=000342&id=search&last_name=&first_name=&cemetery=archer&start=10180

Thanks!

Yep thats him alright, I've been intending to go have a look (living in Masterton and all) but I believe i've been told there isn't a headstone.

[spades]

Hi Sam, and welcome.

Spades

[minniehaha]

Hi Sam,

You couldn't stretch to a marriage printout could you?

From 1880/1881 – Marriage Act 1880 (Dated 17 August 1880)
Local number
Bride and Groom

When and where married
Name and surname of the parties
Ages
Rank or profession
Condition of parties
Bachelor or spinster (or as case may be)
If widow or widower date of death of former wife or husband
Birthplace
Residence: Present, Usual
Parents

Father's name and surname
Father's rank or profession
Mothers name and Maiden surname
Signatures

Bride and groom
Witnesses
Officiating minister (or Registrar)

Minniehaha.

[kiwihalfpint]

A death certificate would help

Cheers, Sam

Hi Sam,

Welcome to the board ....  We usually suggest getting a Printout instead of a Certificate, as it is a copy of the original document, is cheaper and can be emailed to you.

Cheers
KHP

[whiteout7]

Interesting - is this a picture of the wife Mary Ransome who became Mary Coburn

"Name:      Coburn, Mary, prev Ransome, d 15th October 1905
Biographical History:      Wife of John Ransome, was a nurse in Masterton in the 1880s until her death. In 1892 she married Wilhelm Johan Kobrow, aka William John Coburn/Cobourn"

http://masterton.spydus.co.nz/cgi-bin/spydus.exe/ENQ/OPAC/ARCENQ?ENTRY=Ransome&ENTRY_NAME=BS&ENTRY_TYPE=K&SEARCH_FORM=%2Fcgi-bin%2Fspydus.exe%2FMSGTRN%2FOPAC%2FBSEARCH_PIC%3FHOMEPRMS%3DPICQUICKPARAMS&QRY=ARCTYP%3A+GRPW&QRYTEXT=Picture+Wairarapa&NRECS=20&GQ=Ransome

http://paperspast.natlib.go
vt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WDT19061015.2.13&srpos=2&e=-------10-WDT-1----0Coburn--

John William Coburn outlived her and died in 1934?
He left a probate (will) behind
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23109738

He applied for Naturalisation in 1931, this record might clear up where he came from
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=24212907

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Interesting - is this a picture of the wife Mary Ransome who became Mary Coburn

"Name:      Coburn, Mary, prev Ransome, d 15th October 1905
Biographical History:      Wife of John Ransome, was a nurse in Masterton in the 1880s until her death. In 1892 she married Wilhelm Johan Kobrow, aka William John Coburn/Cobourn"

http://masterton.spydus.co.nz/cgi-bin/spydus.exe/ENQ/OPAC/ARCENQ?ENTRY=Ransome&ENTRY_NAME=BS&ENTRY_TYPE=K&SEARCH_FORM=%2Fcgi-bin%2Fspydus.exe%2FMSGTRN%2FOPAC%2FBSEARCH_PIC%3FHOMEPRMS%3DPICQUICKPARAMS&QRY=ARCTYP%3A+GRPW&QRYTEXT=Picture+Wairarapa&NRECS=20&GQ=Ransome

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=WDT19061015.2.13&srpos=2&e=-------10-WDT-1----0Coburn--

Yep thats her, the original I believe is held by the Wairarapa Archive, my Grandad has a copy of it.

 I hadn't seen it with that write up though helps with her death date as the cemetery record is incorrect iirc. (oh and if anyone is researching Wairarapa ancestors pay a visit to the archives the team there is BEYOND knowledgeable.)

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Hi Sam,

You couldn't stretch to a marriage printout could you?

From 1880/1881 – Marriage Act 1880 (Dated 17 August 1880)
Local number
Bride and Groom

When and where married
Name and surname of the parties
Ages
Rank or profession
Condition of parties
Bachelor or spinster (or as case may be)
If widow or widower date of death of former wife or husband
Birthplace
Residence: Present, Usual
Parents

Father's name and surname
Father's rank or profession
Mothers name and Maiden surname
Signatures

Bride and groom
Witnesses
Officiating minister (or Registrar)

Minniehaha.

How much cheaper are they...... I've got 5/6 i'd like to purchase which adds up quickly (Student life eh). I had a feeling my Grandad may have purchased it and it lacked much of that, I'll have to ask him next I see him.