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Re: Tracing the men who jumped ship
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 12 November 15 11:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Xashus

Can you give me the names of his children so I can compare them to his siblings etc.

Ian


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Re: Tracing the men who jumped ship
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 12 November 15 18:50 GMT (UK) »
I have been given the Swedish family report also. After checking through, it just doesn't seem to fit.
Their Petter August Anderson was born in 1850. I understand ages being out by a couple of years, but  18 years?  Erik's marriage record lists his father as Peter Anderson - he was Anders Peterson on the report (maybe relevant, maybe not).
Also, it is said that Petter and his brother Erik jumped ship together, but my Peter was already married at the time that Erik jumped ship.
Fiona
Anderson (Sweden) and Peterson (Denmark) - Le Bons Bay
Schwass and Bruning (Germany) - Waimea, Brightwater
Watt and Ferguson (Scotland) - Fernside, Rangiora
Woodill (England) - Akaroa
Snowden and Webby (England) - Waimea, Brightwater
Lawn (Cornwall) and Hart (England) - Reefton
Turner and Morris (England) - Patea

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Re: Tracing the men who jumped ship
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 12 November 15 18:55 GMT (UK) »
Ian
Peter's children are;- Jemima, Annie, Charles August, Mary Josephine, David and Carn Elizabeth.
Fiona
Anderson (Sweden) and Peterson (Denmark) - Le Bons Bay
Schwass and Bruning (Germany) - Waimea, Brightwater
Watt and Ferguson (Scotland) - Fernside, Rangiora
Woodill (England) - Akaroa
Snowden and Webby (England) - Waimea, Brightwater
Lawn (Cornwall) and Hart (England) - Reefton
Turner and Morris (England) - Patea

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Re: Tracing the men who jumped ship
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 12 November 15 18:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi
In the first image from Beg it does state Petrine as his wife. Did Peter have any siblings in New Zealand?

Ian


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Re: Tracing the men who jumped ship
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 12 November 15 19:29 GMT (UK) »
I don't know if he had any siblings. My Grandmother knew all of her Grandparents and would have said so if she had known.
Anderson (Sweden) and Peterson (Denmark) - Le Bons Bay
Schwass and Bruning (Germany) - Waimea, Brightwater
Watt and Ferguson (Scotland) - Fernside, Rangiora
Woodill (England) - Akaroa
Snowden and Webby (England) - Waimea, Brightwater
Lawn (Cornwall) and Hart (England) - Reefton
Turner and Morris (England) - Patea

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Re: Tracing the men who jumped ship
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 12 November 15 19:38 GMT (UK) »
Ok thanks.

Ian


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Re: Tracing the men who jumped ship
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 12 November 15 21:24 GMT (UK) »
Just a quick point...

"SVENSKARNA I NYA ZEELAND" by Sten Aminoff is notoriously inaccurate. As he had free rein at both NZ Archives and the Swedish National Archives the information from each one is usually pretty accurate. However when he came to linking records from one country to the other there often seemed to be a bit of guesswork involved, at least that's how it looks to me (and to lots of others by all accounts).

On the other hand, if I had jumped ship I would definitely change my date and place of birth when filling in any official forms (marriage/naturalisation). Might account for the age discrepancy.

As an example, the WW1 Attestation for Erik Gustaff's son, also called Erik Gustaff, says his Dad came from Ireland!!!

Image 13
http://tinyurl.com/nrm6egd

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Here are the names of some of the children and grandchildren of Erik Gustaff ANDERSON. Do any of these names ring bells in your family history...

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-909-50512-186757-21?cc=1865481

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Quote from: Xashus
His name is Peter Anderson/Andersen and he was born about 1832.

How did you find his birth year of 1832-ish.

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Quote from: Xashus
I have been given the Swedish family report also.

Is this a report you commissioned from a Swedish genealogist - or something similar. If so, what did they come up with.

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I don't know if he [Peter] had any siblings

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Also, it is said that Petter and his brother Erik jumped ship together, but my Peter was already married at the time that Erik jumped ship.

A bit confused :-)

When you say "it is said that Petter and his brother Erik jumped ship together" is this a family story or something from the report.

And you say "my Peter was already married at the time that Erik jumped ship". In reply #17 Ian says that Erik jumped ship in 1872. Peter's  marriage to Petrine wasn't until 1874.

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Beg

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Re: Tracing the men who jumped ship
« Reply #25 on: Friday 13 November 15 03:46 GMT (UK) »
I am obviously getting bits and pieces from different people in regard to Peter Anderson.
Peter's birthday has been assumed as 1832 by his age on record when he died. If he is the Petter August Anderson born in 1850, then he was 5 years younger than his wife Petrine - no big deal, but an 18 year addition to his age seems a bit much. I have been told that Peter and his brother Erik jumped ship together, but then I was told that Erik claimed to have done this after 1874.
The Swedish family report I have been given was produced by a descendant of some other branch, and he must have trawled through Swedish records to do so. This was compiled quite a few years ago and the compiler was born in 1894, emigrating to America in 1912, but he died in Sweden in 1986.
I will go to the National Archives and look through the Police Gazette, which should list the names of ships crew who jumped ship. Hopefully that will point me in the right direction. Fiona
Anderson (Sweden) and Peterson (Denmark) - Le Bons Bay
Schwass and Bruning (Germany) - Waimea, Brightwater
Watt and Ferguson (Scotland) - Fernside, Rangiora
Woodill (England) - Akaroa
Snowden and Webby (England) - Waimea, Brightwater
Lawn (Cornwall) and Hart (England) - Reefton
Turner and Morris (England) - Patea

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Re: Tracing the men who jumped ship
« Reply #26 on: Friday 13 November 15 08:11 GMT (UK) »
Can Peter's naturalisation and marriage records be seen online?

Ian