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Identification of ship please.
« on: Thursday 10 December 15 16:47 GMT (UK) »
Further to my posts about my father-in-law being in the RAF in the Middle East during the second world war then among his 'keepsakes' was the photo of this ship with names on the back.

Does anyone recognize the ship and where it is docked please please.

Thank you.

Judy
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Re: Identification of ship please.
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 10 December 15 16:58 GMT (UK) »
http://www.britishforcesinpalestine.org/travel/wil_nieuwam.html looks like the businesss.

 Troopship Nieuw Amsterdam at Durban ?
NEILSON - Erskine/Bishopton, Renfrewshire and Glasgow
BROWN - Hamilton, Lanarkshire
CAIRNS - Hamilton, Lanarkshire
FINDLAY - Kirriemuir area, Forfarshire/Angus
PORTER - Tobermore, Derry, Ireland

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« Reply #2 on: Thursday 10 December 15 16:58 GMT (UK) »
As a guess for starters it may have been the troopship on which your father-in-law sailed for the middle east.  If you can hazard a guess at the dates he was there we might track down the convoy he sailed on.  The names on the back were probably mates he teamed up with en route.  As for the port someone may recognise it from other troop movements.  Typically those convoys docked on the way in Cape Town or Durban.  Try for old photos of those ports or maybe even Port Said to see if the architecture is recognisable.

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 10 December 15 20:54 GMT (UK) »
I would go with NIEUW AMSTERDAM and Durban.
 Your man probably transhipped in Durban having sailed on another vessel from the UK. Certainly the movements of NIEUW AMSTERDAM would suggest this.
I have a record of all her voyages if you require.
Have you received his RAF service records yet?
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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 10 December 15 21:43 GMT (UK) »
The funny thing is that the ship is not painted in wartime livery.
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Re: Identification of ship please.
« Reply #5 on: Friday 11 December 15 00:54 GMT (UK) »
Probably a pre war postcard issued for general consumption. It was forbidden to photograph vessels in WW2. Security and all that. No doubt this rule was broken on numerous occasions by individuals.
All that the photograph displayed implies, is that Judy's relative was probably on board sometime during WW2.
Hopfully his RAF service record will give details of dates etc. We can then deduce what voyage and in what convoy.
Dim ateb yn well nag ateb anghywir. Nid oes dim yn ddall fel rhai nad ydynt yn dymuno gweld

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Re: Identification of ship please.
« Reply #6 on: Friday 11 December 15 09:46 GMT (UK) »
Just a very quick reply to thank you for the great replies.

I shall write a longer post later when I have more time, to let you know how everything is tying in.
Exciting :D

Judy
CUMBERLAND  Armstrong Little Nixon Richardson Pearson Watson Braithwaite
WESTMORLAND  Richardson Dent Nicholson Hanson Kersey Smith Heigh
DURHAM Reed Smith Reay Hammond Metcalf Bell
Thompson Armstrong Branford Parkin Heaton Oates
NORTHUMB'LAND Nixon Johnson Armstrong Branford Thompson
DUMFRIES Armstrong Bell Halliday Little Carruthers Johnstone
YORKS Richardson Branford Siddle
ROXBURGH Jackson Elliot Armstrong Scott
FIFE Adamson Gosman Brown
AUSTRALIA Richardson Dent Hanson Kersey

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« Reply #7 on: Friday 11 December 15 10:33 GMT (UK) »
Just a long shot off this particular topic I see you list the Little family in Cumberland among your researches.  Would they be the Little family of Rockliffe?  In particular I have a record of a John Little born in or around 1818-1820 connected to the Percival family in the 1841 and 1851 census's.

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« Reply #8 on: Saturday 12 December 15 17:04 GMT (UK) »
What we now know - with the help of people on this web site is that he sailed on RMS Rangitata from Britain to Durban, stopping at Freetown on the way, arriving May 18th 1942. We had an idea he stayed there in the transit camp probably until near the end of June.
We have some photos of him in Durban and a program of 'Where to go and What to See' in Durban for June.

We thought he would then have gone by another Troop Ship either the Ile de France or the Niew Amsterdam to Egypt.
So it was rather exciting that the Post Card is the Niew Amsterdam. :D It seems everything he kept was a memento of his time in the war.

The photo is a Post Card and as some one suggested it may have been just for general consumption rather than of when it was commandeered to serve as a troop ship.

So think he must have left Durban on the Niew Amsterdam on 27th June.

Just received his Records today so not yet had time to decipher them properly yet.

Seaweed would very  much like a copy of any journey that this ship made leaving the 27th June from Durban and any info on the convoy.

Thank you all so much - my husband has now built up quite a document on his father. We are amazed by how much info we have.
Then of course we still have his records to decipher!!! :) Which we hope will verify everything.

Judy



CUMBERLAND  Armstrong Little Nixon Richardson Pearson Watson Braithwaite
WESTMORLAND  Richardson Dent Nicholson Hanson Kersey Smith Heigh
DURHAM Reed Smith Reay Hammond Metcalf Bell
Thompson Armstrong Branford Parkin Heaton Oates
NORTHUMB'LAND Nixon Johnson Armstrong Branford Thompson
DUMFRIES Armstrong Bell Halliday Little Carruthers Johnstone
YORKS Richardson Branford Siddle
ROXBURGH Jackson Elliot Armstrong Scott
FIFE Adamson Gosman Brown
AUSTRALIA Richardson Dent Hanson Kersey