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John Allen m Anne Waller 1735 & d 1760
« on: Friday 11 December 15 14:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I'm looking for help finding the origins of John Allen who, as a widower upwards of 37 married Anne Waller (1713 - 1800) at St Katherine by the Tower on 17 April 1735.

They lived in Petticoat Lane, Spitalfields and had two children, John Allen (1742 - 1752) and Mary Allen (?-?).

He died in 1760; his will was proved on 30 September and he was buried in Bunhill Fields on 2 October.

His widow remarried, to Jonathan Wathen, at St Botolph, Bishopsgate on 8 June 1761.

The daughter,  Mary Allen, then a minor married Joshua Phipps on 18 Sept 1764 and was mother of five including my ancestor Mary Phipps who married a Mr Marlham and then a Thomas Blunt and the more  famous Jonathan Wathen Waller 1st Baronet. (See Wikipedia; Burke has a mistake in his parentage; there is a huge file Genealogies of Buckinghamshire Families, available on Familysearch, which has an extensive pedigree of the Wallers including almost all the people mentioned in this post.)

These families were all close to the Presbyterian movement; Anne Waller's brother James married into the same family, Gwynne, as John Wesley. They also had money, so their presence in the East End was probably to run a church or mission.

I have completely failed to find anything about John Allen's professional life, first wife, birth or ancestry (or his second wife's death, or his daughter Mary's birth or death) and would be very grateful for any help.

There are good topics on the Phipps and Blunt Families

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=734230.new;topicseen#new
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=636191.63

Many thanks,

Alan

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Re: John Allen m Anne Waller 1735 & d 1760
« Reply #1 on: Friday 11 December 15 15:39 GMT (UK) »
Please note that i had already found a rev John Allen who led the congregation in Petticoat lane but Allen could not find a relationship ( this man's age would have made him next generation to the John Allen he searches for
https://books.google.ca/books?id=JxhOAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA236&lpg=PA236&dq=john+allen+petticoat

There were also some late 1600s christenings for a John & Elizabeth from Petticoat Lane in case they were related ( Pearse.... Amey & the two Em & Emm died)  2 John births to John & Ann/james & Joan next generations from that batch number file are also listed
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Aallin~%20%2Bbatch_number%3AC00633-4
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Aallen
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Re: John Allen m Anne Waller 1735 & d 1760
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 12 December 15 03:14 GMT (UK) »
The second John Allen is interesting. He can't be the first John Allen's son because in the 1760 will John Allen clearly leaves his assets equally to his wife and his only child Mary. He could perhaps be a nephew, but since I can't find his parents either, it's not much help.

I would like to attach two screen prints from the relevant bits of the Waller pedigree showing the parts of the family most immediately involved, but the controls for posting attachments seem to have disappeared. The original, very unwieldy (50mb) file is here
https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE4754979
Ours is the first genealogy (after lots and lots of preliminary stuff). You want the pages hand numbered five (for Anne Waller, John Allen etc) and six (for their son and daughter and the daughter's successors).

Alan