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Re: Andrew Henderson - the father, the brother, or something else?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 14 December 15 22:53 GMT (UK) »
Findmypast shows Hary Henderson as age 13 in 1901 so looks like it may be a transcription error where he appears as 3 (Ancestry?).
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Re: Andrew Henderson - the father, the brother, or something else?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 15 December 15 14:58 GMT (UK) »
Hello Stuart273,
     You don't need to use Credits to do a Search on ScotlandsPeople.
     Click on 1901 Census Records. Search for Surname: Henderson. Forename: Hary. County: Roxburgh. Distict: St Boswells. Age Range: 13 To 13 comes up with 1 match. No match for age 3 To 3.
     Try each of the Henderson family forenames from the 1901 Census (Henry, Jessie, Andrew, Thomas, Jeannie) in the 'Second Person Forename' box. Each one comes up as a match with Hary age 13 To 13. No matches with Hary age 3 To 3.
     Pretty sure this is the right family and that Hary is 13 not 3. Like you, I think he is the Henry age 3 on 1891 Census.
     Scots named their children in a particular order, now referred to as the Scottish Naming Pattern.
          1st son named after the father's father. 2nd son after the mother's father.
          1st daughter after the mother's mother. 2nd daughter after the father's mother.
     Although not all families followed this order, from the following Census Returns the Henderson male line appears to.
      1851. Courthill, Berwickshire.
         *Andrew Henderson  29  b  Channelkirk, Berwick.  * (Hary's Grandfather)
          Jean             "           28  b  Eckford, Roxburgh.
       **Henry           "             3  b  Smailholm, Roxburgh. **(Hary's father)
          Betsy           "             1  b         "                "

     1861. Ancrum, Roxburgh.
         *Andrew Henderson  39  b  Channelkirk, Berwick.
          Joan             "           40  b  Bedrule, Roxburgh.
       **Henry           "            13  b  Smailholm, Roxburgh.
          Elizabeth       "           11  b        "                "
          William 10, Alexander 8, John 5 & Robert Henderson 8months.

     1871. Maxton, Roxburgh. (Littledean)
         *Andrew Henderson  46  b Channelkirk, Berwick.
          Joan              "          48  b  Cavers, Roxburgh.
          Elizabeth 23, Robert 9 & George Henderson 8.
     
     1871. Maxton, Roxburgh. (Hails Houses)
       **Hendery Henderson  25  b  Smailholm, Roxburgh.
          Jessie           "           20  b  Wilton,              "
          Andrew         "             2  b  St Boswells,      "

     1881. St Boswells, Roxburgh.
       **Hendry Henderson  35  b  Smailholm, Roxburgh.
          Jessie           "          36  b  Minto,                "
          Andrew         "          12  b  St Boswells        "
          Joan 6, Thomas 4 & Jane Henderson 1.

     1891. St Boswells, Roxburgh.
       **Henry Henderson  42  b  Smailholm, Roxburgh.
          Jessie         "         42  b  Minto,                "
          Andrew       "         22  b  St Boswells,       "
          Thomas       "        14  b         "                   "
          Janie           "         11  b         "                   "
          HENRY         "           3  b         "                   "

     1901.  St Boswells, Roxburgh.
       **Henry Henderson  52  b  Smailholm.
          Jessie        "           52  b  Minto.
          Andrew      "           32  b  St Boswells.
          Thomas      "           24  b         "
          Jeannie       "           21  b         "
          HARY           "            3? b         "

     Henry & Jessie's 1st son named Andrew after Henry's father.
     Both Hary/Henry & brother Andrew name their 1st son Henry after their father Henry.
     Your Henry/ Hary was probably known within the family as Harry to distinguish him from his father Henry. Wouldn't need an 'official' name change. I've found lots of name differences between baptism & marriage records in my own family. Jane/Jean, Isobel/Isabel/Isabella, Elisabeth/Elizabeth/Betsy etc. (See Monica's post re: name variants)
     
     You mention a marriage at St Giles, Edinburgh with no witness names. Does it say "Warrant of the Sheriff" or something similar in the column the witnesses names usually appear in? (Ive found a couple of marriages at St Giles in my tree. Both were by Sheriff Warrant) If so, the witnesses names will be in the 1st column, titled When, Where & How Married. "By Declaration in the presence of.....(Witnesses names)".

     Hope you manage to find Hary/Henry's DC. Good luck with your search.
               Regards,     Dod.
     

     

     
     

     
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Re: Andrew Henderson - the father, the brother, or something else?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 15 December 15 22:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi all, and thanks for your continued help with this.
Busy few days at school (Christmas concerts etc) so not been able to follow anything further on the death front. However, Dod, you are correct in that the marriage of Harry was by warrant of the sheriff and the witnesses are indeed in the first column. Unfortunately they are both from the bride's side of the family though so that doesn't really help. You are also spot on about the namings, except it was Thomas who had a son Henry (who died at 6 days old) rather than Andrew who never married. I have more searching to do here yet and will do so in the next few days once work life has taken a back seat, but thank you all for affirming that Harry is the 1887 Henry and not a new person. I shall put a comment to this fact on the version of the 1901 census that I saw originally and hopefully anyone else who may be searching that line won't have to solve this particular conundrum for themselves.
You Rooties are brilliant. Thank you :)
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England/Wales - Helps, Jones, Wright, Petheram (Axbridge and surrounding areas, Somerset)
Canada: Rutherford, Green
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Re: Andrew Henderson - the father, the brother, or something else?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 16 December 15 12:09 GMT (UK) »
Don't dismiss the info on the brides side off hand

Not uncommon for cousins to marry in Scotland, so there may be a link through the generations of the same name