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Alfred Wells
« on: Monday 28 December 15 09:02 GMT (UK) »
Trying to help a lay find her missing family.

Alfred Wells b abt 1887 Edinburgh.
Married Catherine Duncan in Edinburgh.
Catherine dies.
Alfred arrives in New Zealand so I have been told with his father in-law about 1823.
Alfred dies 1825 leaving small children.

Any help or suggestions very welcome.

Thank you.
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Re: Alfred Wells
« Reply #1 on: Monday 28 December 15 09:51 GMT (UK) »
On the face of it, Alfred died about 60 years before he was born :)

I assume you mean born 1887, went to NZ 1923, died after 1925, as there were few settlers in NZ until after about 1840.

Go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, register and invest in 30 credits at a cost rather less than the cost of ordering one NZ birth, marriage or death certificate.

Use one of the credits to search for the marriage of Alfred Wells to Catherine Duncan, and 5 more to download a digital image of the marriage certificate. This will tell you the full names of both Alfred's and Catherine's parents, including their mothers' maiden names.

Use another credit to find Catherine's death certificate. She will be indexed under both her married and her maiden surname so she will be easy to find. Then use another 5 to download the image of that certificate too.

You now know the full names of both sets of parents. Use another 12 credits to find (assuming that they were married in Scotland) and download the images of the marriage certificates of both sets of parents, and you will have their ages (and therefore approximate dates of birth) and the full names of all the grandparents of both Alfred and Catherine.

And you'll still have enough credits left to look up one more document, for example an earlier marriage (if the couple married aft 1 January 1855), or the death of Catherine's mother.

I see from the New Zealand death indexes (at https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home/ ) that Alfred Wells, aged 38, died in New Zealand in 1925. Have you got his death certificate?
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Alfred Wells
« Reply #2 on: Monday 28 December 15 10:15 GMT (UK) »
Sorry for the mistakes. Look how I spelt 'lady' as well oh dear. ::)

Thank you that is very helpful.

Yes Kitty has sent me the death certificate of her grandfather Alfred Wells.
But knows very little else re WELLS and DUNCAN families.

Of course lots with those names, so I just seemed to be getting nowhere.

Thank you, will look at Scotland's people for her and see how I get on.

I did find a 1891 and 1901 census for WELLS family, if it is the correct family.
Father of Alfred Wells is George Wells and mother Annie McKenzie .
Taken above from death certificate.

Yes they arrived in NZ about 1923 as death certificate says in NZ 2 years.

Thank you.
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Re: Alfred Wells
« Reply #3 on: Monday 28 December 15 10:38 GMT (UK) »
Of course lots with those names, so I just seemed to be getting nowhere.
Thank you, will look at Scotland's people for her and see how I get on.

Good. Yes, it is always more of a challenge when the names are common ones. Let us know when you have more questions. Happy hunting!
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Re: Alfred Wells
« Reply #4 on: Monday 28 December 15 10:43 GMT (UK) »
Hi all ,

SP has a 1916 marriage for an Alfred Wells / Catherine Duncan , St Giles , Midlothian.

Also a death for a Catherine Wells(other surname Duncan) 1923 Leith , Midlothian , born c1892.



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Re: Alfred Wells
« Reply #5 on: Monday 28 December 15 11:22 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Forfarian and Ev for your replies.

Appreciate your help very much.

Kitty has a photo of an old man Willie Duncan, (which she thinks if story correct) is Catherine Duncan's father.
The photo also has two small boys George and Alf Wells who were son's of Alfred and Catherine Wells.
When grandfather Duncan dies they get sent to an Orphanage, this happened in NZ.

The boys were born in Scotland as well.
I think there were 3 boys???
As she says her father who was John Wells ran away he was 13 years.

Death certificate says Issue Male 5 years and Female 3 years.

So think to try and find children's births now and see exactly what family is.

Thanks for the help much appreciated.
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Re: Alfred Wells
« Reply #6 on: Monday 28 December 15 11:29 GMT (UK) »
There is an Alf(born c1920) and Geo(b. c1921) Wells going to Auckland NewZealand in 1924.
(Find my Past).



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Re: Alfred Wells
« Reply #7 on: Monday 28 December 15 11:50 GMT (UK) »
 :)Thank you Ev.
That is a great help.
Wonder who they travelled out to NZ with.
Perhaps another family member of the Duncan family??

Will look at Find My Past and see if can see another name that might connect.

They went to Denniston, which was under ground coal mining area.
I often think those that lived there when they did all needed a medal. A barren area.

Many thanks.
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Re: Alfred Wells
« Reply #8 on: Monday 28 December 15 12:07 GMT (UK) »
There is an Alf(born c1920) and Geo(b. c1921) Wells going to Auckland NewZealand in 1924.
(Find my Past).



ev

Following on from Ev post
Departure date from Southampton 7 November 1924 going to Auckland Ship Pakeha
Wm Duncan age 62 painter
Joan Duncan 17 domestic
John Duncan 12 scholar
Reg Minto age 7
Alf Wells 4
Geo Wells 3
Address came from 19, Fowley Terrace Edinburgh
Rosie