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Re: Help finding Marriage for Henry GLEW
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 05 January 16 17:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ray

I really hoped there would be a match but am running out of ideas.  I wondered if the Henry King Shott I found was actually Kingshott but I can't  find anything earlier to confirm or otherwise so am giving up

Happy New Year

Happy New Year  :)

Henry is Kinchot in 1851 with wife Ann no daughter Caroline, she is probably working away from home somewhere. 

I think OP may have to put us out of our misery and get one of the childrens birth certificates as you suggested ;D

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Re: Help finding Marriage for Henry GLEW
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 05 January 16 20:17 GMT (UK) »
Have a look at this 1861 entry for Chalton Hampshire

Henry King Shott 63 b Chalton
Caroline Shott   24 dtr ditto
Mary Ann Shott   3 g/dtr ditto
Henry Glew    22 b Harting Sussex - lodger
John Voller   24 b Chalton - lodger
RG9 Piece 699 Folio 6 Page 8

This Henry Glew was born in Harting so not the Rogate one we're looking for.

I think this is him in 1851 in Harting, son of John widower
Piece 1654, Folio 474, Page 28

In 1841 still in Harting, looks like his mother is Mary
Piece 1101, Book 4, Folio 17, Page 1


Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Help finding Marriage for Henry GLEW
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 06 January 16 08:18 GMT (UK) »
I am gradually coming to the conclusion that for some reason or other Henry and Caroline never married. Henry died in 1902, so I think Caroline (as a widow) would not need to answer the question about years married and numbers of children on the 1911 census. But she did. The number of children born and those died match with what I have found (and surmised) from Portsea / Portsmouth reg district bmds. So I think what she has stated is accurate there. But what does she state for number of years married? !!

From 1881, 1891 and 1901 census records we have 10 known children.

Alfred Henry J   Q4 1876   2b 492            
William Thomas   Q2 1879   2b 518            
Elizabeth Harriet Q4 1880  2b 488 died age 0 Q3 1881 2b 267
Frederick   Q2 1882   2b 524            
James      Q3 1885 2b 440               
Charles      Q2 1887 2b 479   died age 20 Q3 1909 2b 245
Florence   Q2 1889 2b 527            
Ernest Norman   Q4 1890 2b 443   died age 0 Q2 1891 2b 363
Arthur      Q2 1892 2b 488            
Elsie Gertrude   Q3 1898   2b 517   

Three had died before 1911.
By eliminating other births in Portsea either by belonging to other Glew families or too close to a known child of Henry and Caroline, I come up with only three more who were born and died between censuses. These seem the strongest possibilities for the "missing" children

Edith Ellen Q1 1878 2b 529 died age 0 Q4 1878  2b 316
Thomas   Q2 1884 2b 555   died age 2 Q2 1886 2b 297
Nellie Caroline   Q1 1895 2b 514 died age 1 Q3 1896 2b 317

So what do we know about Caroline? Censuses and age at death put her year of birth between 1854 and 1858. She was most likely born in Bristol although 1881 has Littleton Sussex (abbreviation for Littlehampton perhaps?). She would have had her first child at the age of 18 - 22 depending on her actual age. Likely to be under 21 when she got together with Henry, possibly parental consent was refused for them to marry and they never got round to it after she turned 21.
Why would a girl of her age have come from Bristol to Portsmouth? I would have thought Bristol would have had plenty of opportunities for a girl to work, or if not she might move to London. Bristol and Portsmouth are both seaports, perhaps her father was a sailor?
Possibility her maiden name is King - information from her son Arthur's death record in Canada. If the informant had Arthur's birth certificate this should be accurate, but if the informant was just vaguely remembering something he / she was told a long time before - who knows?
 

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Help finding Marriage for Henry GLEW
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 06 January 16 08:43 GMT (UK) »
I've just found Arthur's death cert on family search. He died in a hospital and the informant was a hospital official. He states information taken from " D O file". I don't know what file it refers to, but possibly some official record that Arthur would have originally supplied the information for. Arthur left for Canada, via Portland, Maine USA in 1908 when he was just 16. He is listed as a farm hand, travelling 3rd class with a lot of other teenage boys also farm hands.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott


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Re: Help finding Marriage for Henry GLEW
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 06 January 16 08:55 GMT (UK) »
Not the marriage something a bit different:

Portsmouth Evening News 23rd September 1897

Abusive Language: Caroline Glew of 15 Central Street, Landport summoned Emily Isaacs of 49 St Johns Road for using abusive words towards her on the 13th inst. Complainant alleged that the defendant banged at her door and when it was opened used bad language. Rebutting evidence was given and the Magistrate dismissed the case. :

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Re: Help finding Marriage for Henry GLEW
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 06 January 16 11:31 GMT (UK) »
Can anoyne find Henry Glew on 1871 Census?

Maybe he is in the military, have found one that may be a possible:

1202 Private Henry Glue
28th (North Gloucestershire) Regiment of Foot
HQ location Gibraltar
Year    1871

He later gets discharged in 22nd September1876.

Maybe thats the reason we are struggling to find a marriage, it could have taken place abroad :-\

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Re: Help finding Marriage for Henry GLEW
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 06 January 16 11:38 GMT (UK) »
Not found him in 1871, tried all sorts of searches.

The army does sound a very strong possibility. If it was him and he was discharged in Sept 1876, that's just before his first child is born (reg Q4 1876).
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Help finding Marriage for Henry GLEW
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 20 January 16 17:06 GMT (UK) »
WOW... just WOW! I normally get an email if anyone has commented on the thread. I didn't get one and have been busy over Christmas so checked on the off chance..... and am blown away with the work people have put in! Thank you all so much  :) :) ;D

It will take me  a while to go through everything but there is a few things I can help with.

My elderly friend (who I am doing this for) believes there might have been a military link with her Grandfather Henry Glew.

Arthur Glew went into a Banardo's Home for boys when his Father died. Caroline supposedly had health problems. It was Barnardo's that shipped him out to Canada.

Harriett Godson appears to be Henry Glew's Mother not Caroline's Mother as the 1891 census appears to imply.