Bateman / Northern Ireland/ Melisina Bateman 1850

[familyroutes]

Found this in family search...looks like the brother of William Howard Gemmell

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Arobert~%20%2Bsurname%3Agemmell~&marriage_place0=3

Name   Robert Howard Gardner Gemmell
Event Type   Marriage
Event Date   22 May 1937
Event Place   Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Residence Place   Vancouver
Gender   Male
Age   47
Marital Status   Single
Birth Year (Estimated)   1890
Birthplace   Coatbridge, Scotland
Father's Name   Stephen Howard Gemmell
Mother's Name   Jane Gardner
Spouse's Name   Nancy Sophronia Kennedy
Spouse's Residence Place   Vancouver
Spouse's Gender   Female
Spouse's Age   39
Spouse's Marital Status   Single
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)   1898
Spouse's Birthplace   Whitewood, Manitoba
Spouse's Father's Name   William Martin Kennedy
Spouse's Mother's Name   Rubina Catherine Cook
Certificate Type   License
Registration Number   1701
CITING THIS RECORD

"British Columbia Marriage Registrations, 1859-1932; 1937-1938," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKNL-VTMT : 21 January 2016), Robert Howard Gardner Gemmell and Nancy Sophronia Kennedy, 22 May 1937; citing Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, British Columbia Archives film number , Vital Statistics Agency, Victoria; FHL microfilm 100,548,083.

[Irish Finder]

Thanks Aghadowey & family routes for your much appreciated and kind assistance.

i will contact the graveyard to inquire about Robert C Gemmell being buried at same.

Interesting find Family Routes on Robert Howard Gardner Gemmell. Birth date est 1890 in Scotland (app same date as Robert C Gemmell). Parents Stephen Howard Gemmell & Jane Gardner.  Robert C Gemmell's parents are Stephen Howard Gemmell & Jean Gemmell.

[familyroutes]

Could it be that Robert remarried and that's why we can't find a death for him between 1920 and 30.

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Arobert~%20%2Bsurname%3Agemmell~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Ascotland~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1880-1895~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Astephen~

   
Robert Howard Gardner Gemmell
British Columbia Death Registrations
Name   Robert Howard Gardner Gemmell
Event Type   Death
Event Date   26 Jan 1949
Event Place   Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Gender   Male
Age   56
Marital Status   Married
Birth Date   17 Feb 1892
Birth Year (Estimated)   1893
Birthplace   , Scotland
Father's Name   Stephen Howard Gemmell
Mother's Name   Jane Gardner
Spouse's Name   Lonia Kennedy

[familyroutes]

Another brother ...married to an ANN (Nancy) Elliott!
   
John Gardner Gemmell
British Columbia Death Registrations
Name   John Gardner Gemmell
Event Type   Death
Event Date   29 Nov 1980
Event Place   North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Gender   Male
Age   88
Marital Status   Married
Birth Date   11 Sep 1892
Birth Year (Estimated)   1892
Birthplace   , Scotland
Father's Name   Stephen Gemmell
Mother's Name   Jean Gardner
Spouse's Name   Nancy Elliott

[aghadowey]

Robert Howard Gardner Gemmell married (1937) Nancy Sophronia Kennedy
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKNL-VTMY

His death gives wife as Lonia Kennedy (perhaps a nickname for Nancy Sophronia?)

Lonia Gemmell died 1971-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLT7-78M

[Irish Finder]

Thank you Family Routes and Aghadowey.

Im thinking too that Robert C Gemmell remarried, however the gentleman you kindly found is Robert Howard Gardner Gemmell. I need to get (probably cant get) a marriage certificate of Norah Turner to Robert Gemmell. I have emailed the grave where Robert's wife and son are buried. Also is it strange that on the census, if your husband is remarried, that you would put 'married' on the 1930 + 1940 census? (Robert was only with Norah and son in the 1920 census). Robert Howard Gardner Gemmell when married on 22 May 1937 said marital status 'single. He married in Canada, i wonder if that is where he married Norah?. Surely they can check to see in those days if he was already married? Im confused, is it the same man?

Aghadowey, you are correct that Lonia is a nickname for Sophronia.

[aghadowey]

If Robert Gemmell was still alive in 1930 & 1940 it could be that he and Nora went their separate ways after 1920 census. Since Nora was 'Mrs Gemmell' and had her son in the household it wouldn't be unusually to see her listed as married (as indeed she might have been if there was no divorce). However, all that is really speculation.

How would 'they' have checked his marital status in Canada? Each Province keeps their own records and since they lived in Alberta earlier it's possible the marriage took place in the Edmonton area.

[aghadowey]

GOT HIM.... typing lots up so keep checking 

To backtrack a bit... Stephen Howard Gemmell died 25 May 1911 at Coatbridge and wife was Jane Gardner. According to 1901 census they had: Helen J. (18), Agnes H. (16), Jane G. (13), Robert H.G. (11), John G. (8 ), William H.F.G. (5), Margaret H.F. (1).

20 April 1919 "Maraval" arrived New York from Demerara, Guyana
Robert Howard G. Gemmell, age 29y 1 mo, married, born Coatbridge Scotland, contact in county he'd come from- Mrs. S.H. Gemmell 11211 126th St. Edmonton Canada, going to- wife Mrs. Norah B. Gemmell 1609 Finance Bldg [Philadelphia] Pa [possibly his business address], 5'6" fair complexion brown hair blue eyes.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J677-W29

This proves that Norah's husband was Robert Howard Gardner Gemmell (think the Robert C. Gemmell you had should have been Robert G. Gemmell).

WWI Draft Registration card (2 Sept.1916)- Robert Howard Gardner Gemmell
born 17 Feb.1888, alien, address- 10734 126th St. Edmonton Canada
chartered accountant, employer- Barro_ Wade Guthrie & Co. at Finance Bldg Philadelphia
nearest relative- Mrs Nora B Gemmell at Edmonton address.
"Is classified in Class 2 Canadian Military"
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXB6-8VT (birthdate mistranscribed so view scanned image)

The above all ties into the Philadelphia address on manifest and Edmonton connection

Think there's a bit more to come...

Bit more in next post 

[Irish Finder]

Aghadowey you are incredible and so gifted!!

This is really interesting. It would appear their child was illegitimate?

So 'going to be wife' 20/04/1919, they arrived on the ship together i assume?. Why would he say he was 'married' ? The ship, Maraval, they arrived in New York on. Is there anything to say they boarded  from Scotland or Ireland?

This is amazing information. And now we can say that he re-married as his age marrying Nancy Sophronia Kennedy matches . Also the name is very unique, unlikely to have someone else with the same name, age and place of birth.

Strange they never had more than one child as both came from large families

For the times, the above surely would be frowned on?