Bateman / Northern Ireland/ Melisina Bateman 1850

[Irish Finder]

Hi Family Routes, i wonder IF the Ann (Nancy) Elliott you found, who married Norah Gemmell (Nee Turner) brother in law, John Gardner Gemmeill was related to Andrew Elliott who married Norah Turner's sister, Melisina Turner.

The reason i possibly think this is because Melicina (called herself Millie later) and Andrew Elliott's son was called, William John GEMMILL Elliott. (Perhaps a spelling mistake in Gemmill - meant to be Gemmell).

This would tie back to a previous post i did thinking there was a connection. If there is, it would surely have to be Ann Elliott? Now to prove 

[aghadowey]

Still putting more together but what child do you think was illegitimate?

Norah might have had miscarriages, stillbirths or lost child(ren) in infancy with just one child (William) surviving.

So 'going to be wife' 20/04/1919, they arrived on the ship together i assume?.
No. RHGG was travelling alone (most likely on business) and his wife Norah was in Philadelphia (presumably with young William).
Why would he say he was 'married' ?
Because he was married to Norah.
The ship, Maraval, they arrived in New York on. Is there anything to say they boarded  from Scotland or Ireland?
The ship came from Demerara, Guyana. (I did state all this in the earlier post)

[aghadowey]

Timeline-

     1888 (17 Feb.) Robert Howard Gardner Gemmell (RHGG) born Coatbridge, Scotland
1889 (9 July) Honora/Norah Turner born Ireland
     1911 Stephen Howard Gemmell died Coatbridge, Scotland
   WHGG & Norah probably married Canada c1914 or so
1915 (4 Apr.) William Gemmell born Edmonton, Canada
1916 Robert, Norah & William living Edmonton, Canada
1916 (2 Sept.) RHGG working in Philadelphia, wife Norah in Edmonton
1919 (20 Apr.) RHGG arrived NY from Guyana (accountant, wife Norah, Philadelphia)
1919 (May) Norah Gemmell & son William to US
1920 Robert (accountant, to US 1909), Norah (to US 1911) & son William in Lower Merion, Montgomery, Penna. last time we have them together
1930 Honor B Gemmell (married, to US 1919) & son William in Wayne, Delaware, Penna.
     c1937 RHGG to BC according to death certificate
     1937 (22 May) RHGG (acvcountant, single) married Nancy Sophronia Kennedy in Vancouver
     1949 (26 Jan.) RHGG died Vancouver (wife Lonia Kennedy)
1958 Barbara M Gemmell died (married WHG Gemmell)
     1971 Lonia (Kennedy) Gemmell died BC
1979 (22 Aug.) William H G Gemmell died, buried West Laurel Hill Cem.,Bala Cynwyd, Penn.
1980 (30 June) Honor B Gemmell died, buried West Laurel Hill Cem.,Bala Cynwyd, Penn.

[familyroutes]

Yes, I assumed that Ann (Nancy) Elliott was probably related in some way to Andrew...(though you shouldn't really assume anything!!)
We know that Robert went to stay with his wife in 1919 and was still there in 1920 but he may have left soon after that and hence no more children. 

[aghadowey]

John Oliver Gardiner Gemmell (parents John Gardner Gemmell & Nancy Oliver Elliott)
born 1923 Calgary, died 1973 BC
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLBJ-1RB

John Gardner Gemmell died 1980 BC (wife Nancy Elliott alive)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FL1Q-ZN9

1936 John Gardner Gemmell, wife Ann & sons Jack (12) & Bob (10) arrived in U.S. for 3 week holiday-
still living Edmonton

Listed as married in 1916- or does 'married' refer to date when record compiled?
http://www.canadiangreatwarproject.com/searches/soldierDetailPrint.asp?ID=112013

[Irish Finder]

Thank you so very much Aghadowey for putting the pieces of the puzzle only you can find, together!!

Thank you also Family Routes for the connection - Elliott and Gemmell. Need to prove this, but it appears to be the case

I wonder if the son Bill and his wife Barbara had any children, as they may still be alive. Will start to look further into this That would be really invaluable if they were or they had children who are

[aghadowey]

How old is the address you have for son Bill Gemmell? if his wife (2nd?) was Ann then perhaps she stayed there after he died.

[aghadowey]

Ann T. Gemmell of 106 Whitman Ave., Collingswood, N.J. paid for funeral of William H. Gemmell (28 Aug.1979, Oliver H. Bair Funeral Home, Philadelphia).

Ann T. Gemmell 2 March 1914-26 Apr.2005, 1993/4 lived Bryn Mawr, Penna.

Ann Jones Tavenner (later Gemmell) born 2 Mar.1914 Dover, Penna.
parents- Fleet E. Tavenner & Mary A. Woolwine

[Irish Finder]

Hi Aghadowey,

I am so very appreciative of your wonderful research prowess

The ONLY address i have now been able to get,  is a hand written note from two generations ago saying that Aunt Norah Gemmell was dead, a writer for a magazine. Her son Bill and Ann his wife, lived in Collingwood, New Jersey.

So now with the deaths, this note has to be prior to 1979. Your last post had the 'actual' address at 106 Whitman Ave, Collingsworth, New Jersey.  That ties up with this latest information. I was always looking at Pennsylvania as that is where i was told they lived.

CHILDREN OF BILL GEMMELL - William Howard Gemmell
I cannot find any children for either wife - Barbara or Ann. Can i correctly end that line of the tree as a dead end/died out? I hope I'm not missing anything.