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Re: John and Margaret [Liston] Broggy.
« Reply #36 on: Friday 15 January 16 09:24 GMT (UK) »
Bridget Broggy born 10 Jan 1869 Ireland but registered in Brighton,Massachussetts
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Re: John and Margaret [Liston] Broggy.
« Reply #38 on: Friday 15 January 16 10:11 GMT (UK) »
1866 – Birth of Matthew Henry.

     The first child born to Matthew and Ellen was a son they named Matthew Henry who was born on the 11 August 1866 in the Registration District of Limerick, Ireland.

The 1901 Census shows his wife Ellen as a widow.

Broggy   Ellen   Head of Family   Church of Ireland Read-Write 70   Female  Widow   Co. Tipperary

I had a record of Matthew Broggy dying in 1904 and probate in 1905.

Name:   Mathew Broggy
Estimated birth year:   abt 1843
Date of Registration:   Jan-Feb-Mar 1905
Death Age:   62
Registration district:   Ennis
Volume:   4
Page:   135
FHL Film Number:   101602

Broggy Matthew [73] 12 July Administration of the estate of Matthew Broggy late of Derrymore, Meelick, Limerick County, Clare.  Farmer who died 26 December 1904 at Ennis said County granted at Limerick to Matthew Broggy Farmer Effects 468 pounds.

If this is not Ellen's husband Matthew, when did he die?
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Re: John and Margaret [Liston] Broggy.
« Reply #39 on: Friday 15 January 16 11:39 GMT (UK) »
Civil Reg..   Birth, Marriage and Death results for Bruggy

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Re: John and Margaret [Liston] Broggy.
« Reply #40 on: Friday 15 January 16 12:28 GMT (UK) »
Number 65 here M B age 58 married a Farmer, Mania and tendency to violence
Ennis Rural Asylum
make up your own mind on this one
perhaps the death cert would clarify cause of death and where.
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Re: John and Margaret [Liston] Broggy.
« Reply #42 on: Friday 15 January 16 14:10 GMT (UK) »
G'day dathai.

Well the above would explain why he probably wasn't on the 1901 census with Ellen.

And I guess she considered herself a widow and the 1904 death and 1905 probate would be correct for Matthew.

Make sense to you.
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Re: John and Margaret [Liston] Broggy.
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 16 January 16 01:53 GMT (UK) »

... Haven't a source for Matthew's birth 1843.  Death record says he was 62 years, when he died in 1904 which puts his birth around 1843 in Clare, Ireland ...


But the 1901 census shows Ellen as a widow, he must have died before that?

G'day Gaffy,

Mate what do you think of the Ennis Asylum 1901 census that shows M B. [Matthew Broggy?] a patient.

Would probably explain the widow entry for Catherine and verify the 1904 death.

Interested in your thoughts.

I'm amazed at what's on the net and even more amazed that folk like yourself can find them.  Much appreciated.
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Re: John and Margaret [Liston] Broggy.
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 16 January 16 05:02 GMT (UK) »

G'day Gaffy,

Mate what do you think of the Ennis Asylum 1901 census that shows M B. [Matthew Broggy?] a patient.

Would probably explain the widow entry for Catherine and verify the 1904 death.

Interested in your thoughts.

I'm amazed at what's on the net and even more amazed that folk like yourself can find them.  Much appreciated.


In the absence of another death record for a Matthew Broggy, I suppose it's possible, the 1901 Asylum return said that MB had suffered the condition for 8 years and 8 months, if he was admitted at the time the condition started, that is a long time away from Ellen and perhaps she effectively considered herself widowed. As Dathai said, the death certificate might clarify things. 

In relation to the "Derra" location, there is a suggestion online that this is simply a contraction of the townland of Derry More in the civil parish of Killeely, this lies about 6-7 miles south of the townland of Kilkishen where the OSI website says there is a local placename Derra (the one near Kilmurry). Although the reference is unsubstantiated, on the map it makes more sense and it is consistent with mention of Derrymore and Meelick in  previous posts on this topic relating to tithe applotment records, census records, etc.  This is Derry More in the OSI 6" mapping series, if you pan south, you quickly happen upon the townland of Meelick:

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,553078,662421,9,7

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find the marriage of Daniel Broggy to Bridget Finucane.

Interesting too that the surname survives there until modern times, eg: http://rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=86882

If you google "Broggy, Meelick" (quotes and all) you will get several hits back, likewise if you google "Broggy, Derrymore".