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Re: who are the parents of John Melville?
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 21 January 16 10:00 GMT (UK) »
wow, anette, just wow-

how you found his death certificate i'll never know.. I searched for years

as far as agnes mc girdie, I had ruled her out too since that john was in house at the same time mine was out in pitlessie

what a shame the '41 census is missing- but al least I can take it farther now- I think I can call this officially complete!- thank you
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Re: who are the parents of John Melville?
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 21 January 16 10:10 GMT (UK) »
just to add- after reading your post and checking my records I notice I have this death date scribbled above my notes with a question mark and (no death cert), how did we both arrive at that date w/out a death or obit? do you remember bcz I don't- thanks again
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Re: who are the parents of John Melville?
« Reply #29 on: Thursday 21 January 16 12:39 GMT (UK) »
Out of curiosity, the Robert Melville living Grand Rapids, age 22 on the 1880 US Census showing born Scotland - have you followed through on his birth? If he was born in Scotland and if he is 22 then there should be a record. There were only six Robert Melvilles born in Scotland 1857-1859.
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JOLLY, Johnston,Thom, Rae, Davidson, Fielding, Sherret
FEARN, McKenzie, Stirling [brick wall], Robb, Wilson, Stott
RUSSELL, Fullerton, Christie, Cochrane, Davidson, Coutts, Easton, Scott
FRASER, Henderson, Noble, Mundie, Goodall, Thain, Neish, Moir

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Re: who are the parents of John Melville?
« Reply #30 on: Thursday 21 January 16 13:17 GMT (UK) »
jennywren.. that may be my gr.grnfthers first wifes kids by ellen doyle who died at age 50,then he got remarried to marion Neff, she was much younger) and so we have always wondered if he had any other previous children, so you may have uncovered that, thanks.

I'm still keeping the William m/Isabella fergusson lady on the back of mind although I think this William m/agnes Dick couple im elevating to the top of my list :

...but I just want to ask one question to be sure how does one know if a person is listing
birth in a district or village
why would a parshioner ,as a teenager be  in collessie if parents are in cupar?
 wouldnt they all just go to the cupar parish?
can a record determine the difference between
 vill. of pitlessie, in the parish of cults ,in district of cupar such as on that '51 cencus
from say ,cupar  parish in the district of cupar

 one last thought on this :
maybe since william died in '38 just before that collessie church
was finished then his widow 'n son moved into collessie from parish in cupar
 and is why i was stuck in collessie this whole time
 i guess that 41 census would have told all ,but thanks everyone for your help
it been fun, I guess ill keep this open for now as there are still some unanswered questions.but I think without that 41 cencus i'll never know if these ppl were actually in cupar or in cults lets say in the district of cupar next door to the kids. I not sure about districting of public records versus parish districting into presbterys or synods over there. that part confuses me

my next step will be locating those two that Annette mentioned
in the overall index to find actual graves
somewhere near cults or cupar.
 ill ask that on another thread to norrieg  dealing w mi's, -thanks for heads up on that other robert
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Re: who are the parents of John Melville?
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 21 January 16 13:37 GMT (UK) »
jennywren.. that may be my gr.grnfthers first wifes kids by ellen doyle who died at age 50,then he got remarried to marion Neff, she was much younger) and so we have always wondered if he had any other previous children, so you may have uncovered that, thanks.

Are you saying your great grandfather Robert who was born around 1858 inherited a stepson called Robert Doyle who was also born around 1858 who by 1880 had changed his name to Robert Melville so then had the same name and age as his stepfather?
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JOLLY, Johnston,Thom, Rae, Davidson, Fielding, Sherret
FEARN, McKenzie, Stirling [brick wall], Robb, Wilson, Stott
RUSSELL, Fullerton, Christie, Cochrane, Davidson, Coutts, Easton, Scott
FRASER, Henderson, Noble, Mundie, Goodall, Thain, Neish, Moir

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Re: who are the parents of John Melville?
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 21 January 16 13:41 GMT (UK) »
just for anyone interested here is that original cemetery with the pyramid in it, where I started my genealogy where I went searching bcz of my moms pictures and the original cemetery being split from the north side by paris twnshp meridian http://www.migenweb.net/kent/cemeteries/paris/valleycity/map.html
 I don't have a pic but pres. gerld ford tomb s in a building in a diiferentpart of the city a  few miles away ,that from above is in the shape of a 2d flat pyramid -a triangle that if adding a compass semms to point to a  local lodge down the street off by about a half degree. it has nothing to do with my ancestors but it was all part of my search into that enterprise lodge after I researched the symbols and some arch mason standing stone  graves.
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Re: who are the parents of John Melville?
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 21 January 16 13:43 GMT (UK) »
no ,I think its his natural son from his first marriage
 edit- no I think its him directly -read the dilemma below

(he was born in Canada , though-not sc)
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Re: who are the parents of John Melville?
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 21 January 16 14:10 GMT (UK) »
i'm confused  now for sure, bcz my gr gramps is the informant on his brother alexander's death cert but incorrectly list his parents as john m./ mary pratt (rather than sally pratt) then when my gr gramps dies his second wife marion Neff lists them as john m/ sally pratt w/ the oaklawn cemetery crossed out and fulton st corrected.. im wondering if there was a simple mixup/or  a delib attempt at something.. he was rich and lost it after the devaluation of gold in the depression.. maybe it was money related but somehow these families are connected in some mysterious way- these are viewable on mddhs site(mi. dept human health serv) bit I cant find a good link at the moment... ill get back tomorrow.. you ppl are so good at this , maybe you can unravel it and see the dilemma my gr grandma added by posting different ppls names versus what my gr grandfather posted in his own hand.

it might be on 'finding Michigan' site where the real record is viewable- ill post it if I find it
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Re: who are the parents of John Melville?
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 21 January 16 14:31 GMT (UK) »
 heres the site - http://seekingmichigan.org/
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