Henry NORTON c1903-1926 WA

[majm]

Well, I for one,  think Judith's sightings are worth following up further ....

discharged to B'Hall .... perhaps that's the Buckley Hall that Neil found
nearest relative  sister-in-law Kate NORTON, 15 Derby St, Gorton  so there's the Aunt  connection...


Yes, so very many Henry lads on the outward passenger lists

Any newspaper cuttings for that 1918 death I wonder.

Cheers,  JM

[judb]

This quote is from another family history.

"He was living at the Wensleydale Sanatorium for early cases of tuberculosis. This building later became the local Youth Hostel."
http://www.mcnamarahistory.co.uk/raeburns/

Judith

[judb]

Re-reading the thread there are a couple of anomalies:

The stillborn baby could not have been the child of the Catherine NORTON who arrived in 1911 unless she had previously been to WA and returned to UK.

This baby and Henry NORTON, d 1927, are both buried at Karrakatta RC section but apparently not close to each other - not really significant either way.

Some of the ages for many of them do not fit 100% - again not highly significant in my opinion

The Australind arriving Fremantle Nov 1911 was carrying migrants so it's possible that these were assisted passengers
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/23855635.

The eldest child admitted to the workhouse in 1910 -  Marie NORTON, b 1902 - is at Holly Mount School, Bury, Lancashire in 1911.  This seems to be a Catholic boarding school run by nuns as an orphanage at the time.  It's now a Catholic Primary School.  FreeBMD has her full name as Marie Catherine NORTON and there is a death for a Marie C NORTON, 25 in Manchester in Dec qr, 1927.

So there is no conclusive evidence but a lot of co-incidences.

Judith

 

[mollipops1]

Wow you have been busy 

I'm racing out the door but popped in to check and found all this wonderful stuff!

Thank you all, I will definitely follow up these leads later! x

[mollipops1]

So Henry NORTON married Ursula ALCOCK in Chorlton district, Lancs in 1901 (Sep qtr 8c 1705, FreeBMD).

Births of children Marie Catherine 1902, Hy 1903 & Norah 1905, all Chorlton district, then Ursula's death in 1918.

"Nearest relative: sister-in-law Kate NORTON, 15 Derby St, Gorton" is certainly a good fit.

Hmmm...interesting!

[mollipops1]

Well everyone, I think you have cracked the case!!!   
 
Just found this navy enlistment for Henry. Born Manchester, next of kin Maria is his sister (in Manchester, UK). Note this is 1921-1922 (he was invalided) - and get this, address on discharge is Roberts St Collie WA! Catherine married John in 1920 so this is where she would have been living by 1922. I had missed this as WA is not mentioned in the record below:

NORTON HENRY : Service Number - 10467 : Date of birth - 21 Sep 1903 : Place of birth - MANCHESTER ENGLAND : Place of enlistment - Unknown : Next of Kin - NORTON MARIA

I also found an arrival in Fremantle WA of Henry NORTON aboard Orontes in 1920  There was a Catherine NORTON b. c1877 arrived in Freo aboard Australind in Nov 1911. Kate NORTON b. c? arrived Feb 1911 aboard Otranto and another Kate NORTON aboard Otway in Mar 1911 (latter travelling with Emily & G E NORTON). All from London. [EDIT: Marriage for Kate NORTON in WA in 1913 to WEYMAN, d. 1964 aged 88.]

Thank you, you are geniuses! Especially to Judith who pieced all the little clues and coincidences together so well x

PS Born in India - that was a surprise!

[judb]

Well found Mollipops -the Navy enlistment with sister Maria certainly clinches it in my opinion.

Such a sad family with all dead at such young ages.  As Ursula seems to have been sent to a TB snatorium I wonder if any/all of her children and her husband died of TB.  The parents seemed to live to a reasonable age, as does your Catherine but Henry and Ursula's family...............

This was a good puzzle and thank goodness you listed Catherine's parents as it would not have been solved without those names.  It's so worthwhile to add in as much information as possible as it's often one or two small clues which point the way.

Judith

[mollipops1]

Yes indeed Judith, sometimes it is the tiniest clues that are the most valuable leads. And I agree that the navy record is a clincher!  Odd about Catherine's age, but perhaps she lied about it here and there was no proof to the contrary! So much tragedy in the family, not surprised she came here seeking better times. Young Henry had the same idea but sadly was not so fortunate 

So...since Henry snr is listed as an army pensioner in 1901, is it reasonable to think he was in the British army in India and that is why the children were born there??

[judb]

 Yes, I would think Henry snr would have been in India with the army.  There are quite good records held by the UK National archives and you may be able to find him there, although having only one forename is not much help! I note also that the parents Henry and Catherine were both born in Ireland.  I don't know much about UK army so I have no idea how/when/where he might have enlisted.Seems likely that he/they did not return to England until at least 1874, given young Henry's birthdate.

Do you mean Catherine's age in 1911?  She was a boarder so it's possible that the householder did not know her actual age.

Judith