Henry NORTON c1903-1926 WA

[judb]

Just possibilities - pure conjecture, but I thought I'd post in case there are any clues and so that it wouldn't be lost.

You think that Catherine's parents may be Henry and Catherine.  Perhaps the father of her nephew Henry may also have been a Henry.    

1881 Census
2 Lincoln Pl,  Gorton, Lancashire
Henry Norton   60, labourer (iron) b Dublin
Catherine Norton   49, b Tipperary
Catherine Norton   10, b India
Henry Norton   7, b India

In 1891 the same family is at
15 Gardner St, Gorton, Manchester, Lancashire
Henry snr is now listed as a pensioner;
daughter Catherine: sewing machinist (shirt), b Ganga? India
son Henry: apprentice turner, b Dollaly, India

The family are still together at 5 Ashbourne St, South Manchester (Gorton) in 1901
Henry snr is described as 'army pensioner', Catherine jnr is still machining shirts at home , birthplace shown as Janizey? and Henry jnr, b Dolaly, is a 'fitter (iron)'

Catherine is possibly living as a boarder in 1911, still in Manchester, listed as Kate NORTON though, and her age is given as 29 (!), but birthplace is India and she is still sewing shirts so I suspect it is the same person.

There is this shipping information for a Catherine NORTON:
NAA archives show Catherine NORTON arriving Fremantle on the Australind from London, 4 November 1911.  Another shipping list shows her occupation as G. S.; she is British and over 21.
The UK Outward Passenger List gives Catherine's age as 34.

As I said, probably irrelevant but you never know.............

Judith

[sparrett]

Hi
Judith I looked at the same family possibility yesterday, but, like you considered it  long on the long shot scale

However, I have now looked at the electoral roll  and see this-
1913
NORTON, Catherine, 66 Goderich  Street,East Perth. Dressmaker

1914
NORTON, Catherine, 19 Murray Street, Perth Dressmaker

1916
NORTON, Catherine,315 Hay Street, Subiaco Machinist

No others of the surname share these addresses.

Now all we need is to find a marriage for her brother Henry (junior) and a son born to him about 1903 who came to visit his aunt Catherine CLOSE and died here

Sue

[Neil Todd]

There is a Henry NORTON born 1903 in a Poor Law School in 1911 aged eight years. Unfortunately it doesn't show parents. The place is Buckley Hall Rochdale Lancashire.

Neil

[sparrett]

What is a Poor Law School?

Sue

[Neil Todd]

What is a Poor Law School?

Sue

A school that the state or council ran to educate children of parents otherwise too poor to look after them. They were fed, clothed and educated and they learn some form of income generating, schooling IE: Apprenticeship or craft.

Modified: I should have also included the name WORKHOUSE as well. Nothing more than a method to get the poor children to do menial tasks in laundries and coal supplies places in return for food and shelter. Hard, hard places many of them.. Charles Dickens wrote about them.

Neil

[majm]

What an interesting question....

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/map/londonsd.shtml

and

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/map/nwest.shtml 



Cheers,  JM

[majm]

And Mr Google gives https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_Hall  A Catholic Boys Orphanage.

Cheers,  JM

[Neil Todd]

If I am correct The young Henry could apply to be released to his Aunt at the age of 14 years so maybe around the end of the war.

Neil

[judb]

Onward into the realm of fairy tale.................

There are also a couple of Henry NORTONs b 1903/4 on FreeBMD - again no parents 

Dec qr 1903 
Henry NORTON, reg Chorlton, Vol 8c, p785
(Chorlton was the reg district for Gorton, South Manchester where the family lived for the censuses quoted)

Mar qr 1904
Henry NORTON, reg Manchester, Vol 8d, p295

There are a couple of deaths which MAY be Henry snr (although the age is well out) and Henry jnr

Sep qr 1904
Henry NORTON    70    Chorlton    8c/564

Dec qr1908
Henry NORTON 34    Chorlton    8c/509

There is one for a Catherine NORTON snr, but, again, the age is not right
Jun qr 1908
Catherine NORTON 64    Chorlton    8c/400

A possible marriage for Henry jnr
Sep 1901 
NORTON    Henry        Chorlton    8c/1705
On the same page/date
Alcock    Ursula       
Delaney    Elizabeth   

1911 shows Ursula NORTON, widow, b Manchester 1875, a patient at Wensleydale Sanatorium Aysgarth S O Yorkshire.  I cannot see any 'Elizabeth NORTON' so perhaps this Ursula NORTON is the right person married to a deceased Henry NORTON.

There is this death
Sep 1918
 Ursula NORTON 43    Prestwich    8d   492 (Prestwich district includes Manchester)

And also this from the Manchester Workhouse Registers, Chorlton Union
Admitted August 1, 1910
NORTON
Ursula, b 1875, discharged 14.9.10 to Wensleydale Sanitorium
Marie, b 1902, discharged 4.8.10 to 'H'mount'
Henry, b 1903, discharged 4.8.10 to 'B Hall'
Nora, b 1905, discharged to aunt, 17.8.10
info for all four of them, with the informant being Ursula NORTON, herself
Previous residence 15 Derby St, Gorton
Religion RC,
Nearest relative: sister-in-law Kate NORTON, 15 Derby St, Gorton

And a sad death
Mar qr 1911
Norah NORTON    5, reg Manchester    8d/103

This all fits, especially if Catherine decided to up-sticks and emigrate in 1911 after all that sadness.

Fact or Fiction?

Judith

Can't separate a suitable Henry NORTON on the shipping lists to Oz - too many of them