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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #54 on: Tuesday 16 February 16 18:57 GMT (UK) »
PS so wondering just who was the George Barns/Barnes if not his brother at the marriage?

Could he have been Luke's brother or nephew..?

You might like to look who is living next door to Charles and Mary in 1861 at Club Row, Pontypool

George Barne( as transcribed) 39 occ Mason Gloucestershire
Sophia 38
Henry Cambridge 18
William Barne 12 b Monmouthshire
Elizabeth?? Married 38 b Usk
Census ref RG09/4008/41/26
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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 16 February 16 19:10 GMT (UK) »
You might like to look who is living next door to Charles and Mary in 1861 at Club Row, Pontypool

George Barne( as transcribed) 39 occ Mason Gloucestershire
Sophia 38
Henry Cambridge 18
William Barne 12 b Monmouthshire
Elizabeth?? Married 38 b Usk
Census ref RG09/4008/41/26
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How was George related to Charles?

Elizabeth (b 15 Sep 1822) could be Mary's sister.

William was probably George's son.

Who was Henry?

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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 16 February 16 19:16 GMT (UK) »
 ;D Why do they have to be related even though I believe they were, so your task is just who possibly Elizabeth Edwards married and who is the Henry Cambridge 18 Nephew  b Gloucestershire ;D
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PS William Barne aged 12 is shown as Nephew b Risca, Monmouthshire
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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #57 on: Tuesday 16 February 16 19:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, to help out this is 1851:-

Jane Cambridge 54 Widow occ Nurse
Charles Bees 26
Sophia Barns 30 Daughter
George Barns 29 Son in Law
Henry Cambridge 8 Son
All born Mangotsfield
Residing Pontypool
Census ref HO107/2449/140/69
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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #58 on: Wednesday 17 February 16 11:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi again, to help out this is 1851:-

Jane Cambridge 54 Widow occ Nurse
Charles Bees 26
Sophia Barns 30 Daughter
George Barns 29 Son in Law
Henry Cambridge 8 Son
All born Mangotsfield
Residing Pontypool
Census ref HO107/2449/140/69
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This is quite clear: widowed Jane C had a daughter Sophia married to George B, and Henry was her son. The question of who deceased father Cambridge was is quite irrelevant.

George was probably Charles' cousin. That would explain why Mary's sister Elizabeth lived in the same household with George's family. Maybe Elizabeth's husband John Poulson(/m) was a journey man, as he was a marine engineer, and thus not shown in the census. There is no evidence that they had any children.

Who was Charles Bees? It may also be irrelevant...

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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #59 on: Wednesday 17 February 16 13:12 GMT (UK) »
Hi George was not his cousin, he has remarried by 1871 census :-

Marriage 24 July 1870 Llandenny

George Barnes Full Age Widower occ Mason Father Luke Barnes occ Gardener
Mary Jane Bennett Full Age Spinster Father Samuel Bennett occ Collier
Witnesses William Williams, Charles Edwards
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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #60 on: Wednesday 17 February 16 15:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi George was not his cousin, he has remarried by 1871 census :-Keyboard86

Thanks for the correction. George was about 14 years older than Charles which explains why George was not shown in the 1841 Census. If born in 1822 he was 19 and lived somewhere else...

Is it possible to find out something about Luke's and Elizabeth's parents? If I got it right the first census took place in 1841.

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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #61 on: Thursday 18 February 16 02:00 GMT (UK) »
;D Hi again, having at present trouble locating Elizabeth/Eliza Poulson post marriage, but this appears to be her husband John in 1861:-

John POULSOM 32 Married occ Engineer b Bristol
George Davis 26 London
Residing at Upper Solva, Haverfordwest Census ref RG09/4169/72/12
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Hi again, Elizabeth on the 1861 with George Barne/s when original magnified is Elizabeth Poulson/m, a couple of points however, "Journeyman" and its meaning has already been given to you by Rosie in an earlier post, it does not mean he is necessarily travelling throughout the country, also where did you find the occupation of John was as a Marine Engineer from? EDIT OK located from 1881 census for Eliza!

When Henry Cambridge aged 32 occ Mason married Elizabeth Stevens 31 7th September 1874 Llanfihangel Llantarnam he gave his father as Charles Cambridge occ Mason, the father of Elizabeth was a William occ Labourer, in 1841 a Jane BEESE 40 occ Charwoman with children in household of Sar 20 Ann 8 Jane 6 all daughters, are at Downend, Mangotsfield, I have located elsewhere in Downend Charles & Sophia working away from home, living next door is a Chas Cambridge 46 occ Stone Mason so it looks like Jane "took the name" Cambridge but possibly did not marry Charles.

Also cannot at present locate marriage of George Barnes to Sophia?

Also tracked John Poulson/m back to parents in 1841, on his marriage in 1852 Newport to Eliza I transcribed his father as James Poulson occ Butcher, checking again it should have been Jacob Poulson occ Butcher, John was born c 1827 Atworth, Wiltshire and in 1881 aged 54 b Atworth he is married and 2nd Engineer in Pembroke
Census Ref RG11/5412/136/45.

In 1891 He is a Civil Engineer with a badly transcribed Eliza in Penzance
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Re: Need help with a Welsh ancestor Godfrey Charles Barnes 6.11.1857 Newport
« Reply #62 on: Thursday 18 February 16 05:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi again,in 1901 Eliza Poulson 79 Widow b Usk is with an Arthur Poulson 39 Nephew b London in Cardiff
Census Ref RG13/4972/98/9
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