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"Chilham"? in Dorset ? Edwin Peach 1861 Census
« on: Wednesday 20 January 16 14:13 GMT (UK) »
Yes, its another puzzle, sorry :-(

.....Hello Fellow Roots Chatters,

I am trying to 'fettle' the diminishing memory of an old friend whose adoptive Family ancestors seem to have come from Dorset and include a mysterious Edwin Peach. It seems to be doing some good.... fingers crossed. EDwins parentage isn't clear.... he may have been the son of Robert or of his daughter Sarah?

The Mystery is Edwin Peach his Gt Grandfather - finding his parentage and birthplace which seem to vary on Censuses. Some records showing him seem to be extensive but are confusing too!

1851 East Chelborough, Dorset... could this be "Chilham"? aged 8
1861 Martock, Somerset says born "Chilham, Dorset" aged 18
1871 North Peterson says or looks like "Halford" - enumerators lines!!! aged 27
1881 North Petherton, Somerset - looks like Stafford Somerset....38
1891 North Petherton, Somerset - says Martock aged 48
1901 North Petherton says born Dorset aged 60
1911 Holford, Bridgewater

His occupations are somewhat more consistent:
@Dairy House, North Peterton 1871
@Witts, North Peterton , Somerset 1881,
Dairyman @ Church Rd North Petherton 1891;
Farmer 1901
Farmer Glamorgan 1911

He died and was buried in Williton, Somerset in 1926.

So - we know Rapisham was known as Ransom - anyone know if Chelborough was "Chillham"

One more query - why would he name his son as Tom Hamilton Peach? I can see no connection with that name in the family?

Any thoughts or local knowledge most welcome!

Colin
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Re: "Chilham"? in Dorset ? Edwin Peach 1861 Census
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 21 January 16 14:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi, looking at the East Chelborough census 1851 it has Edwin Peach age 8 born Stafford, Somerset. With parents John & Marlon and sisters Marlon, Ann & Mary.

East Chelborough is a village not far from where I live in Dorset.
Stafford is shown as being in Barwick parish which is near Yeovil, not many miles north of East Chelborough.

Just looked on Freereg and a marriage for Marlen Hooper and John Peach 24 Nov 1835 Barwick.
Baptism Edwin Peach 26 Jun 1842 Barwick. Parents John & Marlon
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Re: "Chilham"? in Dorset ? Edwin Peach 1861 Census
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 21 January 16 14:20 GMT (UK) »
Hi
I agree.
Edwin born 1842/3 is the son of John Peach and Marlon Hooper who married at Barwick 24.9.1835.
Their Children are John 1840
                           Edwin 1842
                           Marlon 1843
                           Ann Elizabeth 1847
                           Mary Sarah 1850
It looks like John is the son of Robert age 77 on the 1861 census
Robert married Elizabeth Paul 18.1.1804 Beaminster Dorset
Children Mary 6.4.1806 Beaminster
Ann 23.7.1815 Nether Compton Dorset
Sarah 15.3.1818 East Cocker Somerset
Robert 17.2.1820  Nether Compton Dorset
Sarah 1827 Nether Compton

As you can see there is a big gap between Mary 1806 and Ann in 1815.
ps just found John bapt on FreeReg 14.10.1810 Hardington s of Robert and Mary
Elizabeth 15.8.1813 d of Robert and Elizabeth Hardington farmer so John's may be a mistake with mother Mary.

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Re: "Chilham"? in Dorset ? Edwin Peach 1861 Census
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 21 January 16 14:36 GMT (UK) »
christenings at Barwick to John and Marlon
John Robert 13.10.1839
Edwin 26.6.1842
Marlon Elizabeth 2.6.1844
Ann Catherine 16.7.1848
Mary Sarah 2.6.1850
James Robert 3.7.1853 buried 14.5.1854

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Re: "Chilham"? in Dorset ? Edwin Peach 1861 Census
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 21 January 16 14:40 GMT (UK) »
Thats absolutely great thanks guys!

AS ever 3 heads are better than one and you have found folk in locations I haven't even looked.

I have found the Dorset online Parish Clerks efforts really helpful - don't know a county as well advanced and open.

Ill go and add that data in to my file and see if it all comes clear like those Dorset streams?

Really grateful

Colin
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Re: "Chilham"? in Dorset ? Edwin Peach 1861 Census
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 January 16 14:49 GMT (UK) »
Where does the possibility Edwin was the son of Robert or his daughter Sarah come from. Are we looking at the right Edwin?

I see now, the assumption was made that as Edwin and one of his younger sister was with Robert his grandfather and spinster aunt Sarah in 1861 that he / they may have been Sarah's illegitimate offspring.

For birth place of birth children, I read Chilbury, likely to be a contraction of Chelborough where the family had been previously. The head of household was Robert and he may not have known precisely where all his son's children were born, looking at 1851 census, they did move around a bit. So knowing they had spent time in in E Chelborough (or local version of it) he put that down for birthplace of both.
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Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
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