Where to look for a baptism record for 1918-1919

[MonicaL]

Joseph's parents' details here:

[Rosinish]

Thanks Monica,

No help there with Geoffrey.......not named for either father or even middle name 

Something strange here if not on England/Wales Index either 

Annie

[MonicaL]

For now...I am stuck 

As Vicky has mentioned early on, his death ref in 2005 gives his name as Geoffrey Lawton born 7 December 1918. If date correct, the reg for the birth could show into early 1919. More than that so far..

Monica

[Lodger]

1918   RICHARDS   GEOFFREY HAROLD   M   ANDERSTON   GLASGOW CITY/LANARK   644/11 0129

A good call Rosinish but, if he was indeed born in December 1918, the reference above would have a much higher number. 644/11 is the code for Glasgow/Anderson district. 0129 means that this was the 129th birth registered in the district since January 1st. This is way too low for a huge inner-city district like Anderson. It would have been as high as that in February!

[vicky19]

Sorry guys had to take my children places... As far as I know Geoffrey didn't have a middle name...I've searched under surname only or with maiden name in Scotland and England, I've also searched for just Geoffrey both spelling variations with a birth year of 1918 and 1919 in Scotland and England and nothing seems to match up at all which is why I thought to look for baptism records. It could very well be Agnes registered him in another name because she was a single mum.....and his father wasn't Joseph.

Agnes wasn't as far as I know in Glasgow for the university, it did cross my mind that as Joseph was a commercial traveller they had met in Herefordshire and she'd moved up to Glasgow to be nearer him as that was his base...

Joseph A Lawton was born in west Derby lancs in 1887 his father was William Joseph Lawton a coachman.

Hillhead school just confirmed he had attended their school in a certain year and his birth date but not place of birth.

Hmmmmmm...... V

[MonicaL]

The 1939 Register shows a Geoffrey Lawton in Ross and Whitechurch R.D., Herefordshire. Born 1918. Pity it didn't include place of birth.

Vicky, not sure if you have viewed/ordered Geoffrey's death reg in 2005. Should include place of birth if know to the informant.

Monica

[vicky19]

The informant on the death cert I think believed Geoffrey was born in Glasgow so put that, it's what the younger brother thought as well, it's only on searching for the birth reference to order the certificate (to find out who the father actually was) that we've found we can't find it....

I saw the 1939 register...got really excited till I looked at the original....

Vicky

[Rosinish]

I also wonder when at the end the court asks him if anyone lives with him Joseph says he is supporting his 'housekeeper' and 'her son' I do wonder if this was Agnes Eliza as she has a young son born in 1918...

If this was Agnes then "her son" would indicate Joseph not to be the father.

I have looked at the index (all Scotland) for 1917 - 1920 for (name beginning with) Geof & no surname but nothing standing out remotely like Griffith(s) nor Agnes' mother's maiden name of Jenkins.

Annie

ADDED.....But then again he had something to hide....a wife. Even so this doesn't equate to the "non existance" of Geoffrey on the Index

[anne_p]

 Am I reading this correctly?
Joseph A Lawton married Agnes Griffiths in Nov 1922?

Oooooh.......

Vicky can you supply me with an email address as I have just found an Edinburgh newspaper article dated 1923 re this man which you may wish to see.

He had already married another woman in May of 1922.
It was an irregular marriage which, when taken to court in Jun 1923, he did NOT contest.

Her name was Eliza Isa Queenie Daniels or Cooper or Lawton
She was a nurse, originally from England and met Joseph in Glasgow in 1919.
They moved to Edinburgh at the beginning of 1922
They married on 11 May 1922 in Edinburgh via a marriage agent and did not go to the Sheriff to decare it

They lived togeher until SEPT 1922


As Eliza produced evidence of the irregular marriage,the courts deemed this marriage as lawful and Joseph was ordered to pay his  now estranged wife 30shilling per week.
If this was deemed a lawful marriage, it means that his 2nd marriage in the same year would be bigamous or unlawful.

Joseph must have assumed that his irregular marriage in May 1922 wasn't legal which is why he married again later that same year but...., there's no mention of it in this article??

Reading between the lines, this is what I take from it:
His first wife was a widow who was in receipt of 30s PW from her late husband's family.( must be Cooper?)
The payment would have ceased on her remarriage to Joseph which is why, as the marriage deemed lawful, and he had abandoned her, Joseph had to pay her the 30s PW .

Edit: Error re Geoffrey deleted

Anne