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[Happy Time Traveller]

Simple suggestion is if the marriage can't be found then it never existed in the first place!

Dawn suggested here http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=711010.msg5547466#msg5547466 that John might not have been free to marry

Yes I looked into a possible earlier marriage but couldn't find anything.  Open to this suggestion though if anyone can find an earlier marriage

[josey]

There are baptisms of 2 Elizabeth Pains in Kennington - next to Bermondsey 
1842 parents Samuel & Elizabeth https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV3X-RMN
1845 James & Elizabeth https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV3F-D8B
sibs Joseph & George 1851 HO107 Piece/Folio 1567 / 403 p 50.

[Happy Time Traveller]

Elizabeth is 67 in 1911 so maybe this death?

Jun 1918 Southwark
Elizabeth Earwaker age 75

Thank you , this looks like her death. Now to find her birth! The various census records record her birth as Bermondsey or Westminster or St George the Martyr (Southwark)

[Happy Time Traveller]

another thought is that Elizabeth was not free to marry. I don't know if she was married before. On the birth certificate of her children it just asks for her maiden name, I guess she wouldn't have to declare if she'd been married previously, especially if she was not married to her current partner.

[Spidermonkey]

There is a baptism for an Elizabeth Paine, april 18th 1841 at St Mary, Bermondsey.  Parents William and Hannah, address Loxton's Court, profession Salesman

[Spidermonkey]

Possible siblings to the above Elizabeth Paine, all baptised at St Marys, Bermondsey:

Sarah Paine  26 Feb 1837  abode West Street, Labourer
Mary Paine  16 Jun 1839  abode Newington, Green Grocer
William Paine  11 Jun 1843  abode Laxons Court, Salesman

[Spidermonkey]

Cos, well, I've got nothing else pressing to do (housework can wait a bit longer!!), I might have a look to see what happens to those Paines.

In 1841, they are at Laxon Court, Long Lane, Bermondsey
William Paine  35  Salesmen  Born in county
Hannah Paine  35  Born in county
Sarah Paine  4  Born in county
Mary Paine  2  Born in county
Elizabeth Paine  3 months  Born in county
HO107; Piece: 1047; Folio: 50; Page: 16

[Happy Time Traveller]

Thanks spider monkey, housework is overrated anyway!

I'll look them up next week. Shame I can't find that marriage so we can def confirm her father.

Thanks
Kirsten

[LizzieL]

Cos, well, I've got nothing else pressing to do (housework can wait a bit longer!!), I might have a look to see what happens to those Paines.

In 1841, they are at Laxon Court, Long Lane, Bermondsey
William Paine  35  Salesmen  Born in county
Hannah Paine  35  Born in county
Sarah Paine  4  Born in county
Mary Paine  2  Born in county
Elizabeth Paine  3 months  Born in county
HO107; Piece: 1047; Folio: 50; Page: 16

There are deaths in Bermondsey district for William Q4 1832 and Hannah Q2 1844 which would be a reasonable match for their ages on the 1841 census.
There is also an Elizabeth Pain living with George and Mary Ann Charlton in 1851. She is right age and born Bermondsey. Relationship: orphan. George was born Northumberland and Mary Ann born Kent, so probably not related to Elizabeth.

Piece: 1561 Folio: 251 Page Number: 4

I did find a possible marriage for sister Sarah to James Stewart, but it seems to be eluding me now.