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Ancestor location in current map of Germany
« on: Tuesday 02 February 16 19:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi,
I am planning a trip to Europe in the fall and am having trouble matching my ancestor birth location to a current map.  Also, I am unfamiliar with the cities, townships or counties in Germany.
I have his birth record from Ancestry.com as
  Johann Daniel Seitz born Jan 10, 1781 in the following location.
    Evangelish, Kusel, Bayern, Germany
I have found that Bayern means Bavaria but what is Evangelish?  Also, where is Kusel on a current map in relation to Stuttgart, Germany.

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Ancestor location in current map of Germany
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 19:59 GMT (UK) »
Not sure if this is your Kusel

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kusel

it is 144 miles north west of Stuttgart

Evangelish (Evangelische) is Evangelical

There is a lady who comes on the boards some time (forum name black betty) and she may see your post and be able to help some more

EDIT: yes this is the right Kusel. Found the entry on familysearch and it gives the full description as

EVANGELISCH, KUSEL, PFALZ, BAVARIA

Pfalz is the Palatinate and forms part of the modern state of Rheinland-Pfalz (Rhineland-Palatinate), a state of Germany, so confirming it is the correct Kusel
James Stott c1775-1850. James was born in Yorkshire but where? He was a stonemason and married Elizabeth Archer (nee Nicholson) in 1794 at Ripon. They lived thereafter in Masham. If anyone has any suggestions or leads as to his birthplace I would be interested to know. I have searched for it for years without success. Thank you.

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Re: Ancestor location in current map of Germany
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 02 February 16 22:02 GMT (UK) »
Yes it is the right "Kusel".
It is only a little city about 5000 people.

If you would like to go to the church to look for the parish register it is better to call the pastor before and ask him, if the parish register is there and if you can look into. Because in the little city where all my ancestors where born, it is not allowed to normal people. I think there has probably someone misbehaved. I can telephone with the pastor for you.

If you need any help please send me a message.

Do you want to visit someone in Stuttgart (I was born there) or it is the only city you know in Germany?  ;)
Where do you come from?



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I also will telephone to the pastor of Danstedt. I think it is the easiest way.

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Re: Ancestor location in current map of Germany
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 February 16 00:55 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the info.
I am from Hanover, Pennsylvania, USA and I don't know anything about churches or locations in Germany.   I will be flying from Dublin, Ireland to somewhere in Germany and I tried to pick a town near the area I thought I was going to.  I see now that I should go to Frankfurt and then maybe take a train to Kusel.  Are there many churches in Kusel?  I would love to be able to look at some registers so if I need to make an appointment, how would I do that?   
I plan on being there sometime this September around the 9th to the 14th.

I am also trying to find any information on my cousin's ancestor named Anton Brink.  He was born in March 1824 Hanover, Lower Saxony and was a musician when he left to come to the USA.  I would love to find his birth information.
I appreciate all your help and time.


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Re: Ancestor location in current map of Germany
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 February 16 09:21 GMT (UK) »
My grandmother's family that I visit in Germany are only about 30 miles from Kusel and we fly Dublin to Hahn Airport. It was, I think, formerly an Army base and very small and friendly. Google maps says Kusel is about an hour south of Hahn. I'm not sure about transport links or car rentals from Hahn as I've never had to worry about that.

The airport's website might help-
http://flyhahn.com/frankfurt-hahn-airport/frankfurt-hahn-airport-hhn.htm
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Ancestor location in current map of Germany
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 February 16 10:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi PetBet,

During the French Revolution, Kusel was burnt down for the third time in 1794. - So there are no remains of earlier times. - The churches are built during the Bavarian time of Kusel (1816-1945).

Your ancestors might be Reformed (Zwingli, Calvin) or Lutherans.

I think there are no parish registers in Kusel, the French have collected all after the revolution and Civil Registration had been introduced around 1800. In the civil registers you might be able to see the handwriting of your ancestors.

The parish registers might be in the central archives of the church in Speyer. - I will check that.
There is a special archive for emigrated people of Palatinate in Kaiserslautern (K-Town).
There is an archive for family researchers in Ludwigshafen (Rhein) - open on thursdays 14-18 h

There had been a lot of musicians from the Kusel area who went to America ... and even to China.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westpf%C3%A4lzer_Wandermusikantentum

Georg Drumm of the Kusel area is the composer of Hail America.
There is a Musikantenland-Museum near Kusel and a second in Mackenbach. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musikantenland-Museum

Best airports FRA Frankfurt/Main (or Ramstein-Airbase  ;) ) with train (via Kaiserslautern to Kusel)
or FFH "Frankfurt" Hahn (Ryan Air) and car to Kusel.

Kind regards from Palatinate

Rudolf
 
Goldschmidt; Gregory, Maude, Nancy Price, Welby (UK),
Goldschmidt > Goldsmith, Benetta, Bloom, Gillis, McDonough, Moses, Wheaton (Australia / NZ),
Spatz & Henderson (Greater London),
Herbert Spatz MC > H. Spence MC (Salisbury),
Spatz > Spence, Nichols. Kidd (Bromley > Manchester South, India),
Spatz > Spaatz (Boyertown, PA - USA),
Engel & Joly (Philadelphia, PA - USA).
Kummerer (London, Chicago & Australia).

WW1 - Cousins Killed in Action in the Australian, English, French & German Armies

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Re: Ancestor location in current map of Germany
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 February 16 11:30 GMT (UK) »
Hi PatBet,

what is the year of immigration?

And here is the beef for Kusel (and researchers in Palatinate).

KUSEL Parish registers:
- catholic: burnt in 1794
- lutheran: burnt in 1794
- reformed: before 1689 might be burnt in 1689
- reformed: (1698?) - 1744 Zentralarchiv der evangelischen Kirche der Pfalz, Speyer
- reformed: 1744 - 1798 Standesamt Kusel (?),  Kusel Town Office

KUSEL Civil Registration: 1798-2016 Standesamt Kusel, Kusel Town Office

Institut für pfälzische Geschichte und Volkskunde, Benzinoring 6, 67657 Kaiserslautern
Telefon: + 49 631-3647-303 http://www.pfalzgeschichte.de/english/ (''a 300,000 sheet emigration file with an estimated 1,000,000 registered migration movements'')

Pfälzisch-Rheinische Familienkunde e.V. (PRFK),  Rottstraße 17, 67061 Ludwigshafen http://www.prfk.org/

Beginning of September I might be in Palatinate or ... Poland

Kind regards
Rudolf
Goldschmidt; Gregory, Maude, Nancy Price, Welby (UK),
Goldschmidt > Goldsmith, Benetta, Bloom, Gillis, McDonough, Moses, Wheaton (Australia / NZ),
Spatz & Henderson (Greater London),
Herbert Spatz MC > H. Spence MC (Salisbury),
Spatz > Spence, Nichols. Kidd (Bromley > Manchester South, India),
Spatz > Spaatz (Boyertown, PA - USA),
Engel & Joly (Philadelphia, PA - USA).
Kummerer (London, Chicago & Australia).

WW1 - Cousins Killed in Action in the Australian, English, French & German Armies

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Re: Ancestor location in current map of Germany
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 February 16 12:06 GMT (UK) »
Goldschmidt; Gregory, Maude, Nancy Price, Welby (UK),
Goldschmidt > Goldsmith, Benetta, Bloom, Gillis, McDonough, Moses, Wheaton (Australia / NZ),
Spatz & Henderson (Greater London),
Herbert Spatz MC > H. Spence MC (Salisbury),
Spatz > Spence, Nichols. Kidd (Bromley > Manchester South, India),
Spatz > Spaatz (Boyertown, PA - USA),
Engel & Joly (Philadelphia, PA - USA).
Kummerer (London, Chicago & Australia).

WW1 - Cousins Killed in Action in the Australian, English, French & German Armies

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Re: Ancestor location in current map of Germany
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 February 16 15:41 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Rudolf for all the info!
 
Anton Brink came to the USA in 1840 and he was about 16.  If he came from Hanover would he have left from the Bremen port?

The Seitz family (Charles and Louisa) came between 1839 and 1840 from Kusel.  We know this from the US census and birth location of their children.  I have found birth records for Charles and his father Johann Daniel, all born in Kusel Bayern.  What port would they have left from?

Is Evangelical the same as Reformed?

Thanks again for all your help!!!!
Pat