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Offline ShaunJ

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Re: Welsh in Patagonia from Abergele
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 17:08 GMT (UK) »
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Shaun I'm confused ( I am easily confused) the reason I'm looking at peel street is to tie Margaret Davies of Abergele  to William and Margaret Jones in Patagonia   Who once lived in Peel street.
Are the people you mentioned related the Davies or just that they lived in peel Street?

I'm confused too. You opened this up by saying that the connection was 11 Peel Street - that your great aunt Margaret Davies and her family had lived at 11 Peel Street. I don't see them there in the census so I have given you the names of the people who did live there. The "Magie" and family mentioned by Wilcoxon were at number 22 in 1891.  I'm not seeing any connection with number 11 unless the 74 year old lady who was there in 1871 was one of your Davies family.

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Re: Welsh in Patagonia from Abergele
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 09 February 16 20:04 GMT (UK) »
I`m confused too.
 Just looking for Davies`s who lived in Peel Street, I don`t know if they are related or not.
It would need much more investigation.

Elizabeth aged 74 in 1871  possibly   in Peel Street in 1851 - not numbered
1851
Robert Davies 56 farm bailiff b Abergele
Elizabeth Davies 55 b Carnarfon , Gyffryn
William Davies son 11 b Liverpool
Edward Evans lodger 87 pauper b Llandullas.
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Re: Welsh in Patagonia from Abergele
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 10 February 16 22:53 GMT (UK) »
Have you looked at any passenger lists? My ancestors migrated to Patagonia in 1886. It's worth a try.
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Morris - Gwytherin/Llangernyw/Pandy Tudur
Blore - Efenechtyd/Clocaenog
Bloor - Cwm/Newmarket Wales
Price - Llangwm, Poulton cum Seacomb/Bebington
Roberts - Llanelidan - 'Pantrwth' Eyarth, Liverpool, Sheffield, Llanrwst
Roberts - Brookhouse Denbigh, Bontuchel
Williams - Abergele
Hughes - Llanfairtalhaiarn
Jones - Llangynhafal

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Re: Welsh in Patagonia from Abergele
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 11 February 16 00:06 GMT (UK) »
"FROM PATAGONIA. Mr and Mrs Evans, who are natives of the town (Abergele), arrived here last week from Patagonia, where they have spent. 24 years. They are accompanied by their family of nine children, and they will leave for Australia in a few days. Mr Evans is a nephew of Mr Evan Evans, Peel street."
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3880351/3880355/27/patagonia%20abergele

So is the Mrs Evans mentioned here possibly a nee Davies or Jones? What else do you know about her Valerie1?
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing/Blyth (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)


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Re: Welsh in Patagonia from Abergele
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 11 February 16 00:20 GMT (UK) »
"Abergele to Australia. FAMILIES ENTERTAINED. SIR HERBERT ROBERTS SPEECH. A few weeks ago there arrived In Abergele three families who left here about 24 years ago to take up farming in Patagonia, where, apparently, fortune smiled very benevolently upon them. But of late years the Spanish yoke had become so intolerable that the Geleites decided to sell their farms and proceed to Western Australia, stopping here for a brief holiday en route. The names of the heads of the families are Thomas Owen, John Evans, and John Griffiths, all of whom are married and blessed with a large number of children."

http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3649903/3649908/38/patagonia%20abergele

There is the Evans name again but also the Owens name.
Further down in the article Pierce Davies (of Peel Street) put in an apperance:

"Mr Pierce Davies hoped that his old and respected friends would meet nothing but a smile upon the crest of every wave between Southampton and Australia."

I'd say Margaret Davies had plenty of family or friends to go to in Patagonia :)

 


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Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: Welsh in Patagonia from Abergele
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 11 February 16 06:47 GMT (UK) »
The William and Maragert Jones, parents of Robert J Jones you originally mentioned are probably the family listed on teh 1895 Argentinian census in township of Trelew :
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DCQ4-7PR?mode=g&i=5&wc=M68G-6Z7%3A23937901%2C23965201%2C23981101%3Fcc%3D1410078&cc=1410078

1. JONES Guilllermo (spanish for Williams) is 43 and a wheat threshser (or maybe ag lab) born England (this is how they enumerated people born in Wales) unable to read and write
2. Margartita (Margaret) aged 33 married 10 years and had 5 children born England unable to read & write
3. Jones Guillermo (William aged) 9 born England could read and write
3.Jones Catalina aged 7 born in Argentina Chubut couldn't read or write but went to school 
4. Jones Roberto J (Probably your Robert J Jones) Aged 2 born Chubut Argentina

There is a Margaret Davies enumerated aged 9 but she was born in Chubut.

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Re: Welsh in Patagonia from Abergele
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 11 February 16 06:55 GMT (UK) »
There's a baptism in Abergele on May 14th 1886 for William Jones son of William (a labourer) and Margaret, 15 Peel Street
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