Brickwall, Searching for Kezia Woodward of Cubbington, Warwickshire, England

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LynBow

I have that James Allen was married 3x. First to Sophia Spittle (1826-1861) married 13 Jul 1857
Dudley, Staffordshire. I am not aware of any children, but assume there may have been a couple. Next to Eliza Fulford (1840-1871) married 26 Jun 1864 St. James, Eve Hill, Dudley, Worcester. Once again, no known children, but assume there were some. Final marriage is unknown, I assume you have that information. Children from this marriage are Samuel Steel b 1872 Worcester, Worcestershire; Sarah J Steel b 1875 North Ormesby, Yorkshire, England and Elizabeth A Steel b 1877 North Ormesby, Yorkshire, England. I assume she's Lizzie Ann. I have that Samuel married Maria Louisa (?) and I have 5 children born to them, of which I don't have a name for one son. I don't have any other information on any of the other children. I don't even know when or where James Allen died. Is any of this correct?

[JPGunn]

First, I want to thank you all, as this has provided me with a lot of useful information.

Henry Allen/Allin and Elizabeth Stimpson/Stimson are my 6th great grandparents

1. Janet is the daughter of Freda Elizabeth (Pilcher) Gunn
2. Freda is the daughter of Wilda Emily (Brown) Pilcher
3. Wilda is the daughter of Fred Brown
4. Fred is the son of Hannah (Naylor) Welsh
5. Hannah is the daughter of Hannah (Woodward) Nailor
6. Hannah is the daughter of Mary (Allin) Woodward
7. Mary is the daughter of William Allin
8. William is the son of Henry Allin

Second, I have a source for some additional information

http://www.uppinghamhistory.org.uk/copyholders/copyholderspt-1d.pdf is the
Index of Copyholders Part  One The Manor of Preston with Uppingham . (There is a lot of other useful information on the UppinghamHistory site)

On pg 37 and 38 it has

Henry Allin held copyhold property in Uppingham:

    (a) Butlers Cottage; 14 Orange St
    (b) Cottage or barn called Hillams Cottage; and Bear Yard
    (c) Bear Yard lying on N side of Butlers Cottage.

In 1744, on his marriage to Elizabeth Stimson, he transferred the ownership of the property to himself and his wife.

In 1767, presumably  on his death, his son and heir, another Henry Allin/Allen, and his wife, another Elizabeth, took possession of these properties.

In 1790, this younger Henry died intestate, and the properties passed to his surviving wife, Elizabeth, and his only son, William

In 1822, this Elizabeth Allen died.

This indicates that the Henry Allin married to Elizabeth Stimson in 1744 is the same Henry Allin that died in 1767. 

If there WAS another marriage, to Bridgett,  after Elizabeth died, she was not added to the copyhold.

According to the  parish records on Find My Past, there was an Elizabeth Stimson (daughter of John and Susannah) born in Oakham in 1722 (and an earlier Elizabeth born to the same parents in 1720.  I can't find her burial, but I presume she died before 1722).

Why she was in Ufford in 1744 remains a mystery (I can find no plausible Elizabeth Stim(p)son born anywhere near Ufford)

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John Allen 1748–1783 m Mary Green 1743–1783 on 5 January 1767 Bisbrooke,Rutland,England
I have Mary as their daughter, not William's.  c 5 January 1773 Bisbrooke, Rutlandshire, England

William Allen 1749–Deceased m Mary Cotton on 30 October 1775 Belton, Rutlandshire, England
Their Mary was c on 18 DEC 1775 Uppingham,Rutland,England

Do you have sources that would indicate otherwise?

[JPGunn]

For Mary, I have
     https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NYHK-FBV
    Name: Mary Allin
    Gender: Female
    Baptism/Christening Date: 18 Dec 1775
    Baptism/Christening Place: UPPINGHAM,RUTLAND,ENGLAND
    Father's Name: William Allin
    Mother's Name: Mary
   
But I think your Mary, daughter of John and Mary, 1773 in Bisbrooke is probably correct , since the marriage was also in Bisbrooke.  Thanks.

For William (1749 - 1837) and Mary I have
     https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NV38-94S
    Groom's Name: William Allin
    Bride's Name: Mary Pomerede
    Marriage Date: 26 Sep 1771
    Marriage Place: Uppingham,Rutland,England

Which I think is more likely, since he was born and died in Uppingham, and since the spelling is Allin rather than Allen in the Belton marriage.

Also, William Allin and Mary in Uppingham had  sons John, bapt 10 May 1773, and "Wm", bapt 26 May 1774, which is more consistent with the 1771 marriage.

But your 1775 marriage in Belton to Mary Cotton is also possible.

I have his death (from Find My Past) as
    Rutland burials Transcription
    First name(s) William
    Last name Allen
    Age 88
    Birth year 1749
    Death year 1837
    Burial year 1837
    Burial date 27 Sep 1837
    Burial place Uppingham
    Denomination Anglican
    County Rutland
    Country England
    Archive Record Office for Leicestershire, Leicester & Rutland
    Archive reference DE1784/10

Thanks

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Jomot,

Do you mind checking to see if you have any additional information for this marriage?
William Allin and Mary Pomerede, 26 Sep 1771 Uppingham,Rutland,England

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John's christening 10 May 1773 only lists William as the father, there isn't a mother listed. Jomot, do you mind looking to see if you can find additional information on this christening? Janet, are you certain the John is the son of William and Mary Pomerede?

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For Mary, I have
     https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NYHK-FBV
    Name: Mary Allin
    Gender: Female
    Baptism/Christening Date: 18 Dec 1775
    Baptism/Christening Place: UPPINGHAM,RUTLAND,ENGLAND
    Father's Name: William Allin
    Mother's Name: Mary
   

This is the same christening record I have for the daughter of William and Mary Cotton. Jomot, can you research this marriage again?
William Allen to Mary Cotton Marriage: 30 October 1775
Belton, Rutlandshire, England

[Jomot]

Sorry for the delayed reply, I've had a few IT issues.  The records are now online so there's a lot more detail:

26 Sep 1771 Uppingham
William Allin of the Parish of Uppingham, Jersey Comber
Mary Pomerede of the same Parish, Spinster
Married by Licence
Both signed, but Mary signed as Pomrade
Witnesses: John West & John Bennett

10 May 1773 Uppingham
John son of John William Allin a Jersey Comber and Mary his wife.

The crossing out of the name John was on the original register.

13 Oct 1775 Belton
William Allen of this Parish
Mary Cotton of the Parish of Houghton in Leicestershire
Married by Licence
William signed but as William Allin, Mary made her mark
Witnesses: John & Moses Cotton, both signed X

[JPGunn]

That agrees with what I have.

Thanks