Edmund Richards

[lizzie booth]

I am really stuck. I have the Marriage certificate of William Richards and Rachel Evans.The Marriage  took place in 1851 in Pontypool, Monmouthshire . William's father is named as Edmund, occupation Fireman. I would guess he was born about 1800 give or take a few years. I have been trying to find him on the 1841 census but cannot link the two Edmunds I have found to the family. I believe he was married twice. Can anyone help me to piece this together. I would be so grateful. Thank you.

[lizdb]

Have you found William and Rachel on censuses after they married? Where and when was William born?

How can you "guess" at Edmund's age, unless you know more about him?  How old was he when William was born? And when was William born? Was William the eldest, after Edmund married young (thus Edmund might be say 20 years older than William) or was William the youngest of a large family maybe to a younger wife or second marriage fro Edmund (thus Edmund might be 50 years older than William). ?


Does the marriage cert give an address for William? Is there a Richards family still there later in 1851? Though of course William may have only been a lodger or suchlike rather than with family.

[lizzie booth]

Thank you very much for your reply.
I thought Edmund would have been born around 1800 as Willam was born in 1823. On the 1851 Census William 1823, John 1828. Then do you think he married again as following the two Sons came Elizabeth 1843, Joseph, 1845, Jane, 1849.
On the 1851 Census Edmond was married to Margaret born 1815 so to young to be Williams mother.
Thank you.

[lizdb]

I saw the Edmund and Margaret on 1851.   So, is that William's Dad? How do we know? He is an Iron founder, not a fireman, so I wasn't convinced.

[Annette7]

You say William Richards was born 1823, son of Edmund.    You say he married in Pontypool in 1851 but I can't seem to find him and Rachel on census.    Where exactly was William born?

Annette

[lizzie booth]

I am not convinced now I thought it was Williams Father.
They married on August 3rd 1851. Probably were not married when census was taken They are on the 1861 census, although birth dates differ slightly but from past experience this seems normal. What do you think?  William 1826 Enyllys, Monmouthshire. Rachel 1831 Llangyfelech, Glam.

[lizdb]

Ok, so here is the 1861.  If you are sure this is the right couple we will take this as a starting point.

1861
Aberdare Glamorgan
William Richards 35 labourer bn Enllys Monmouthshire
Rachael 30 bn Glamorganshire Llangygelech
Llewellyn 9 bn Llanidal Monmouthshire
Edward 4 bn Breconshire Pendwyn
John 2 bn Breconshire Pendwyn

Have you got any of the children's birth certs to confirm Rachael's maiden?

And, does the marriage cert give an address for William? Who are the witnesses?

[lizzie booth]

Thank you for your reply. Sorry for late response.
I don't have a Birth Certificate for Rachael.
There is no address on the Marriage Certificate. The Marriage took place in Pontypool, Monmouthshire.
I am also a member of Ancestry and did a search in members trees for Rachel Evans and found someone with her in their tree. The member has everything the same as myself so hoping that is a good cross check as I cannot seem to find Rachael's Birth.
I do have a Birth Certificate for Llewellyn (Rachael's Son)  confirming Rachael's maiden name.
I just cannot link them up with their Fathers, Edmund for William and Llewelyn for Rachel. They seem to have named their son after Rachael's father I hope.
Thank you for your time I will keep trying.