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George Rosvall b.1875 Grimsby
« on: Tuesday 01 March 16 06:19 GMT (UK) »
I'm helping a friend look for her grandfather, George Rosvall before he lived in Canada.
From his marriage certificate he was married to a Clara Grace (on the cert as Grice) in 1910 in Brenda, Manitoba and we have him in 1916 in Rocanville, Saskatchewan with Clara and their 2 children Adli (b.1912 Sask'wan)and George (b.1916 Sask'wan). In 1930 Clara returns to UK with son George but no Adli. We don't know why or what happened to her husband.
George (b.1875 in Grimsby) went to Canada in 1905 but we can't find him before that. From the marriage cert his parents are given as Andrew Anderson and Brita O'Brian. His father was definitely Swedish so the spelling could be Anderssen or a variation, first name possibly Anders. Brita is a Swedish name so I'm wondering if O'Brian was transcribed from Olsen. At some point George changed his name to Rosvall, possibly because of a family scandal. There is a birth for a George John Anderson, born 1874 and registered in Caistor (registration district for Grimsby), certificate being sent for.
George (1875) was a blacksmith but we can't find him in UK at all. If he was living in Sweden as a child I don't know how to check that out. My guess is that his father was a sailor or fisherman.
Does anyone have any ideas how to proceed?

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Re: George Rosvall b.1875 Grimsby
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 01 March 16 10:44 GMT (UK) »
I'm sure you have this but...for reference:

Death Notices:
Edla Clara JOHNSON, died 1972 in Ottawa
Wife of Victor JOHNSON
Sister of Raymond of England

http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/DetailView.php
Edla Clara ROSVALL was born in R.M. of Arthur,Manitoba, 1911.
Mother Clara GRACE.

Edla married to Vicor JOHNSON in 1935, in Russell, Manitoba.

Birth of a ROSVALL male, registered in 1913 Manitoba.
Mother Clara GRACE.

CENSUS 1921: Rocanville, Qu'Appelle, Sask.
Geo ROSVALL 45, b England. Immigrated 1903.
Father b Sweden. Mother b Ireland. Blacksmith (own Shop)
Wife: Clara ROSVALL 40, b England, parents b England
Dau: Edla ROSVALL 9, b Manitoba,
Dau: George Raymond ROSVALL 5, b Manitoba

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Re: George Rosvall b.1875 Grimsby
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 01 March 16 12:22 GMT (UK) »
There's also this birth:
Births Mar 1876
ANDERSON  George     Caistor  7a 721
Who may be this one:
RG11; Piece: 3280; Folio: 65; Page: 14
Edward Anderson  43
Alice Anderson  38
William Anderson  14
Edward Anderson  9
Alice Anderson  6
George Anderson  5
Arthur E. Anderson  3
Maria Anderson  85


I fear the one you've sent for is this one:
RG11; Piece: 3273; Folio: 81; Page: 20
David Anderson  40
Sarah Anderson  42
David W. Anderson  11
Earnest J. Anderson  9
George J. Anderson  6
John Anderson  4


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Re: George Rosvall b.1875 Grimsby
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 01 March 16 13:12 GMT (UK) »
Oh dear.

Shoal Lake Star January 9, 1930

Rosvall-At Winnipeg,Geo. Rosvall,of Binscarth and formerly blacksmith of Shoal Lake. Death was due to hanging by a rope in a tree.
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Maureen


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Re: George Rosvall b.1875 Grimsby
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 02 March 16 11:05 GMT (UK) »
That is sad...  :'( but at least his descendants will now know what became of him; good find, Maureen!

His death is registered in the name of  Geo. ROSNALL, in Ft Garry, Winnipeg, Manitoba.
Date of death 2nd January 1930.
http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

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Re: George Rosvall b.1875 Grimsby
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 02 March 16 13:57 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all so much for your help, particularly Maureen. I've passed on the information to my friend. She said she thought there had been a suicide but I don't think she knew it was her grandfather. It would account for the fact that George's widow returned to UK a few months later with her son. Everyone was so much more secretive in those days and any scandal wasn't spoken about.

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Re: George Rosvall b.1875 Grimsby
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 02 March 16 17:16 GMT (UK) »
As a post script, my friend has forwarded me 2 newspaper clippings from the Winnipeg Tribune, first dated Dec 27th 1929, the second Jan 2nd 1930, reporting the disappearance of 2 Labour leaders representing the Brotherhood of Railroad employees and saying that foul play was suspected. Their names were Rosvall and Vouletanien. As George was found dead quite soon after, perhaps it was just made to look like suicide!!

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Re: George Rosvall b.1875 Grimsby
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 02 March 16 19:32 GMT (UK) »
Ah. Don't think that was George,though.
Just googling Rosvall and Voutilainen brings up a number of articles:
.....
 note on the Finnish immigrant radicals and their Canadian experience.
The event is the disappearance and death of two Finnish union organiz-
ers, Viljo Rosvall and John Voutilainen, during a lumber strike near Port
Arthur in 1929. etc.\.....
...

Although it IS interesting that on the same page as an article about these two there seems to be a reference to what might be George's death: Frozen Body of Man Discovered,etc.
https://www.newspapers.com/image/?spot=3766307


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Re: George Rosvall b.1875 Grimsby
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 02 March 16 19:53 GMT (UK) »
This must be the follow up report:
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/39296240/

January 6, 1930
The Winnipeg Tribune from Winnipeg, Page 9

The OCR text is difficult but you can make out the gist of it:

NO INQUEST INTO DEATH OF GEORGE RASVALLE Dr. L. S. Gendreau. St. Noroert coroner, has decided that no inquest will be necessary concerning the death of George Rasville, aged 50, of Binscarth. Man., whose frozen body was found Thursday morning '.landing from a tree on the Lord Selkirk highway. Dr. Gendreau is saiisll - d that no further investigation is necessary. The dead man had been absent from his home for two weeks
his body' was discovered, and Identt. fled by provtnclsl police. His relatives at Binscarth were notirkd Friday. Raavalle had conducted a blacksmith's shop. Finding business none too good he had left home to seek work In Winnipeg. He. Is survived by his widow, a son and a daughter.
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Maureen