Crookham baptisms - look up request

[barbara13511]

Thank you everyone for looking at this on my behalf.  It is wonderful to have other brains looking at it.  My Sarah Trotter born around 1791 is in Yetholm, Rox in the 1841 census and dies after that.  She calls her first legitimate son Henry and her daughter Catherine and is born England.  She married a Robert Scott around 1828 but have not found it.  He had been married before and had children.  On the 1841 and 51 with them  is a Catherine White/Trotter born Wooler, niece,  and sending for the birth I find her mother was Annabell Trotter.  The birth is in the Wooler baptisms as Catherine Trotter, illegitimate and born in the poorhouse, mother Isabella. She swings between Annabell, Isabella Ann and Isabella in the 41, 51 and 61 census and has two other illegitimate children, John 1843 and Isabella 1850.  Catherine's birth cert agrees with the baptism except we have a father named James White, gardener.  So this girl is Sarah's niece and I just thought it might give me the proof I needed if I could match her as daughter to one of Sarah's brothers born to Henry and Catherine.

Catherine died 1810 so Henry could have married again (he died 1838) but he also had a son Henry born 1796 who married a Margaret Hunter unless I am wrong and he married Jane.  Do you have any other children Belfordian, to this couple? 

I have never found Henry and Catherine's marriage as it too is probably in one of the sealed Northumberland parish records.  He was of East Lilburn and her Easington when they had their Ford children.

If anybody has any thoughts on this conundrum, I would be grateful. When Eleanor, Henry and Catherine's daughter is born she is clearly down as second daughter.  I believe Sarah to be the first daughter. 

Barbara

[belfordian]

There are several different family groups in the Crookham Pres records. The couples are:
John and Agnes, John and Elizabeth, Andrew and Elizabeth, Robert and Margaret, John and Isabel Hendry and Jane.also one baptism of James son of Robert Trotter day labourer of Cornhill 15 April 1799.
The children baptised of parents Hendry and Jane are:
William born 1 Feb 1814
Alexander born 17 May 1817
George born 27 Oct 1811 No baptism dates are given.
Also Andrew born 4 baptised 7 Feb 1813 son of Hendry Trotter, Mason and Margaret Hunter , Bruce,s Castle. In margin is written "site of kitchen garden at West Lodge on south side of highway for Pallinsburn House in 1879".
John Trotter,s child by Isabell Wintrop baptism in 1833 refer to him also  as a gardener

Hope this is some help. For a thorough study of the various Trotter folk in Crookham and environs it would be worth purchasing the Crookham Pres fiches from Berwick Record Office.  Crookham was a huge church for over 1000 people and covered  quite a wide area. What is your evidence for birthplaces of Henry and Catherine? If they were not native to Crookham they may have resided there only a short time and be unconnected to all the other Trotters there.

Hope this is some help.

Val

[barbara13511]

thanks Val, yes their children's births all say Henry was of East Lilburn and Catherine of Easington parish.  Henry born to Thomas Trotter and Eleanor Howey..  They may well be using the naming patterns as first son was Thomas and second daughter Eleanor.  Henry Trotter, mason goes over into Coldstream and stays there.  Henry snr and Catherine meanwhile were in Crookham by 1794.

I will look into the fiche as you say.  Thank you very much

Barbara

[c-side]

 It turned that the owner of the records (i.e. the Northumberland Archives) had placed restrictions so that only LDS church members with an LDS member account are able to view the records. Presumably this is to reserve the ability to on-sell the records to a commercial outfit at some point...but still waiting for that to happen.

This is the first time I've ever heard of this but I doubt if they will ever sell the records - they only allow transcriptions to be done if they do not already have those particular records transcribed on their shelves - it's all explained on their website.

Anyway I'm there often enough - cut out the middle man and just ask me 

Christine

[SelDen]

Hi Christine - Sorry, I put it badly. I meant it would be wonderful if they would consider giving/selling a commercial outfit(s) a licence for the images of some records, as the LMA, National Archives and various other archives have done. This opens the records up to a much wider audience - from census images to WW1 records to London records which are still a challenge but used to be extremely difficult if you did not live there.

You are extremely generous with your time and effort for all of us - always noted and appreciated!

[SelDen]

In case it is of interest, on 11Feb 1854 at Lamberton Toll Alexander Trotter, Gardener, of Crookham, married Mary Ann Davidson, Pallinsburn.
From Vol II of Irregular Border Marriages available from Www.ndfhs.org.uk

[c-side]

You are extremely generous with your time and effort for all of us - always noted and appreciated!

Not that generous - quite selfish really.  I like being at the archives and don't always have much to do 

[dolly dimples]

Re c-side,  I agree with sel den, Your a great asset to this site C and I hope you know that your very much appreciated .. I can also understand your love of the archives too, I spent many a happy and exciting hour's there..    So much interesting  stuff to rummage through,      so thanks too C ,
                                           Dolly

[Bunbury125]

Hi
I am looking for Isabella Trotter (sometimes called Annabel in the census). Mother of Catherine, John and Isabella Trotter and noticed your information on this forum.

I would really  like to trace her parents if possible and was trying to clarify the connections if any between Sarah and the Henry and the Robert Scott and Isabella to work out if the people you mentioned were related her any way.

I have found Isabella living with a Thomas Scott and family in 1851 and wondered if they were related to Robert. Her son John lived with a family called Laidlaw/Laidlow in 1851 and 1861 but is living with his mother and sister Isabella by 1871.
Many Thanks