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Re: Frederick William Poore
« Reply #9 on: Monday 04 April 16 22:16 BST (UK) »
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Re: Frederick William Poore
« Reply #10 on: Monday 04 April 16 23:21 BST (UK) »
Zumaro currently very recently online ... maybe some additional information can be provided ?

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Re: Frederick William Poore
« Reply #11 on: Monday 04 April 16 23:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Zumaro

There is a Probate record (with Will annexed) for Mary POORE, mother of Frederick William POORE, who died at Christchurch in 1938. 

Her Will was dated 27 September 1937 and named her following children.

- Lucy Mary POORE (Spinster of Christchurch) - named Executrix of Will.

- Sydney Francis POORE
- George Edward POORE
- Annie Louise REYNOLDS
- Edith May MILLS
and   - Nellie Madge KEPPLE :

That therefore accounts for six of the 10 children born to Mary and Henry Francis POORE.

It might be assumed that at the date (September 1937) the Will of Mary POORE was written, that her son Frederick William, was maybe deceased ??

The children who predeceased Mary POORE (and can be accounted for) were >

 - Leonard Smeaton POORE - died 1918

-  Mabel Gertrude POORE - died 1922 aged 38 years

-  Charles Henry POORE - died 1925

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Re: Frederick William Poore
« Reply #12 on: Monday 04 April 16 23:35 BST (UK) »
Link to NZ Probate Records - at Family Search website >

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1865481

POORE - Mary - Christchurch - Year:  1938


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Re: Frederick William Poore
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 05 April 16 00:36 BST (UK) »
These are the ten children referred to in reply #11..........

1894/14105   Poore   Leonard Smeaton   Mary     Henry Francis   -   
1882/3810   Poore   Frederick William   Mary     Henry Francis   -   
1884/2981   Poore   Mabel Gertrude   Mary     Henry Francis   -
1892/7411   Poore   Nellie Madge           Mary      Henry Francis   -   
1889/2220   Poore   Edith May                  Mary              Henry Francis   -   
1876/3057   Poore   Sydney Francis   Mary    Henry Francis   -   
1878/5325   Poore   George Edward   Mary    Henry Francis   -   
1880/2777   Poore   Lucy Mary     Mary      Henry Francis   -   
1885/19648   Poore   Annie Louise     Mary         Henry Francis   -   
1874/28006   Poore   Charles Henry     Mary     Henry Francis

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Frederick William Poore
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 05 April 16 01:08 BST (UK) »

One of the big mysteries of my family is the disappearance of Frederick William 'Frank' Poore. He was born in Christchurch in 1882 (1882/3810 is the BMD reference), son of Henry Francis Poore and Mary Smeaton. 

Hi Zumaro

Just interested to know if you are directly related to the Frederick (Frank) William POORE branch of the family ???

Only ask, because it appears that his children grew up with a different surname.   ;)

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Re: Frederick William Poore
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 05 April 16 01:42 BST (UK) »
Wow! Thanks everyone for the information so far, and more than that, thanks for showing me the use of far more diverse resources than I had contemplated using so far. An object lesson on how to proceed in this hobby for me, both in sharing of resources and techniques. Sorry I am not quite in NZ's timezone, so the day is just starting for me here in Japan, hence my tardiness of replying!

Yes I am directly related to Frank Poore - he is my great grandfather. His disappearance was a real shame, because it cut me off from one side of my family. I grew up with the Moodys, often staying with Mary Elizabeth, and knowing her younger siblings. Unluckily I was too young at the time to care about asking her the crucial questions that might help solve this mystery!

The extra bits I know about Frank Poore are that he was a stage entertainer, performing as a magician. Mary Elizabeth Moody would tell us tales of being cut up in half, and riding unicycles on stage, something I could never quite square up with the image of the loved but rather acid tongued person I knew.  The Poore family is a musical one - Franks grandfather was a professor of music in Bath, his father was an amateur flautist, one of his brothers George Edward was a professional musician, and George Edwards son Francis Edward Graham Poore was given a MBE for his services to music. So this fits in with the family's arts orientation, making it easy to imagine that the censorship story (which I have never heard about before) might involve him as well.

After Frank left, Mary Elizabeth was remarried to William Little in 1920, and later to Walter Fraser circa 1944 (he is also rather difficult to research). There were two children with Frank, who have been correctly identified here, Elsie May Poore and Henry Francis 'Harry' Poore. They were never formally adopted by William Little, but you can find them in the records using his surname.

Mary Poore's will really does suggest that maybe Francis William was dead (or maybe disowned by the family) by 1938. Certainly all the others are accounted for in the will, and the known others are dead by that stage. I can find no death notices for him at all anywhere. The Australian one indeed doesn't check out in the end, and I can't find anything in English records as well. The name luckily seems to be fairly rare - when you search you don't find any Frederick William or Frank Poores anywhere!

I will post this, and try to look up more details about ships and education records, as well as addresses.  I see the the Hereford St address is actually mother and father Poores address in the 1914 and 1935 electoral rolls.  A mystifying thing is that Mary Elizabeth Poore never seems to appear in these rolls, including the 1905 one where Frederick William seems to be listed. This does not help!

Thanks again everyone - I am grateful you all seem to be enjoying helping to solve a mystery
Smith: East Lothian, Scotland
Mack: Berwick, Scotland
Fell: Yorkshire, England
Smeeton: Leicester, England
Haigh: Marsden, Yorkshire, England
Sullivan: Kerry, Ireland

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Re: Frederick William Poore
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 05 April 16 01:51 BST (UK) »
There are many articles in  'Papers Past' which make mention of a Frank Poore in the musical world..........

http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=q&e=-------10--1----0--


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Frederick William Poore
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 05 April 16 02:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Zumaro

Thank you for your very detailed notes on the POORE family.  :)
It often makes our searching a whole lot easier when we are aware of what information has already been sourced.   ;)

Yes, I'd found info about the musical background of the POORE family, and did wonder if the musician/entertainer "Frank POORE" of the 1930's / 1940's might be the person you sought ?
It does seem though that this "Frank" may have been the son of George Edward POORE ??

   ~  Lu