Marriage of Mary Rickards and John Jones Marshfield

[Ricardian]

Looking for the marriage details of my gt aunt Mary Rickards. She was my grandfather's half sister, His name was Artemas Rickards and they were the children of George Rickards of Castleton in the Parish of Marshfield. Mary was married to John Jones and they had a child named Clarence Emlyn in 1878. Try as I might I cannot find any details of a marriage. I believe that they were Baptists and I think that Mary's Mother Amy Potter was the daughter of a Baptist preacher so it is possible that they were married in the Baptist Church in Castleton. Artemas's mother was Margaret Jones and I have a feeling that John may have been her brother because he was living with them in Castleton on one of the censuses and he was a tailor as was my gt grandfather George. However, when I sent for the marriage certificate of George and Margaret it was not the right one and there didn't appear to be another George and Margaret around the right dates. Very odd would be grateful if someone could shed some light.

[lizdb]

According to 1881 John Jones was a Baptist lay preacher


1881
Castletown, Marshfield

John Jones 36 Taylor and Baptist Local Preacher
Mary 36 wife
Clarence Emlyn 3 son     all bn Castletown



Have you got Clarence's birth cert? What maiden name does it give for Mary? Did she use Rickards - ie was her mum Amy Potter married to Mr Rickards, or was she single if so could MAry have used Potter?

Also I wonder if Mary has been married before, she is well into her 30's so plenty of time for a previous marriage.
Have you got her in 1871?

[lizdb]

Ok - I can see how it is coming together now

1871
Castleton
George Rickards 45 master tailor  bn Glamorganshire
Margaret 41  bn Castleton
Mary 25  bn Castleton
George 14  bn Castleton
George MArkie 18 workman
Artemis Rickards 2 son bn Castleton


so Margaret is a second wife to George

[lizdb]

Possible -

MArriage
Ap/MAy/Jun 1874
Newport
Ref 11a 321

Mary Richards  / John Morgan Jones is one of the grooms on the same page

[lizdb]

George is already married to Margaret by 1861 -

1861
Castelton
George Rickards 35 Tailor bn Glamorganshire
Margaret 31 bn Marshfield
Mary 15
Henry 11
George  5
John Jones 16 brother in law Tailor        all except George bn Marshfield

[lizdb]

And just to complete the picture, so we have the info in front of us

1851
Sandy Lane Marshfield

George Rickards widower 25 Tailor  bn Glamorganshire
Mary 5
Henry 5 mths
MAry Evans mother widow 53
and a couple of workmen

so his marriage to MArgaret must have been between 1851 and 1861

[lizdb]

Which leads us to this marriage:

MArriage
Apr/May/Jun 1851
Newport
Ref 26 206
George Richards / MArgaret Jones on same page


Is that the cert you have got? If so, why did you conclude it was the wrong one?

[Ricardian]

Thank you lizdb for all your replies. Sorry I did not make myself clear I knew that Amy had died, probably just after Henry was born, and that Margaret was George's second wife. The certificate that I got from the GRO was for a marriage I think in Bedwellty and I can't remember the occupation of the groom but I don't think that it was tailor. I can't find it at the moment but I am pretty sure it wasn't the right one. Not sure when they got married but their son George looks as if he was born around 1855/56. Years ago I got some records from the Glamorgan Records office and there was a George Rickards that died around 1853/54 at a young age so I wondered if they could have had a baby that died and then had George and Artemas. That marriage that you found for Mary Richards could be the right one because Rickards is often mistaken for Richards. Artemas is my mother's father and I have found out quite a bit about him and his family but when I looked for a marriage for Mary and John I couldn't find one.

George Snr was born in Llantrisant he was illegitimate and he was christened as George Evan his mother's maiden name. His father was one of the Rickards of Llantrisant. My cousin told me that his father told him that George was allowed to use the Rickards name. On his marriage certificate to Amy he has his father down as Robert Rickards. There are records of a Mr Robert Rickards paying money to a Mary Evan for several children.

[lizdb]

If it was a Bedwellty marriage you tried before and rejected, then maybe the Newport one I found might be the right one for George and Margaret.  Maybe!