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Catherine CONDON
« on: Tuesday 19 April 16 02:34 BST (UK) »
I am trying to help a friend confirm what she believes is her great grand mother, Catherine Condon. She has been unable to find confirmation of her arrival in Australia around the middle to late 1840's and her marriage to a John Thomas Sullivan about 1848 in Sydney. They had a son Thomas Sullivan in Dapto, NSW in 1848 and she said John died in 1855, and Catherine remarried in 1857 to a John Duggan. Catherine died in 1885 aged 72 (B: C. 1813) and is buried in the Breadalbane Cemetery, NSW
She believes that Catherine is the sister of Ellen Condon who married Michael Drew in Kilmalock, Limerick in 1840 and they were sponsored to Australia and arrived on the "Eleanor' in August 1841. Ellen & Michael are also buried in Breadalbane Cemetery, Ellen died in 1876 aged 64 (B:1812), but according to her death certificate, she was aged 60 meaning she was born about 1816. However her Immigration sheet showed she was 21 years in 1841, making her birth date of about 1820. Her parents were both deceased before coming to Australia.
The connecting thing of Ellen & Catherine would be that both their mother's name was Mulqueen, and we know Ellen's mother was Ellen Mulqueen. I have tried searching for the unknown details about Catherine and came up blank. hoping someone can assist.
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Re: Catherine CONDON
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 19 April 16 03:08 BST (UK) »
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Catherine remarried in 1857 to a John Duggan

Her marriage certificate should list her age, place of birth and parents including her mother's maiden name and father's occupation.

You can purchase a transcription of the certificate for c$20 and it is emailed to you.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,300394.0.html

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Ellen & Michael are also buried in Breadalbane Cemetery, Ellen died in 1876 aged 64 (B:1812), but according to her death certificate, she was aged 60 meaning she was born about 1816

Information on death certificates only as accurate as the knowledge of the informant.

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Re: Catherine CONDON
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 19 April 16 07:40 BST (UK) »
A couple of questions here.

If you have no arrival for Catherine and no marriage either, what makes you think a marriage took place in Sydney to SULLIVAN?

Why could she not have arrived with him as a married couple under the name SULLIVAN?

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Re: Catherine CONDON
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 19 April 16 08:06 BST (UK) »
  she said John died in 1855, and Catherine remarried in 1857 to a John Duggan. Catherine died in 1885 aged 72 (B: C. 1813) and is buried in the Breadalbane Cemetery, NSW
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This is the death you refer to?

6815/1885 DUGGAN   Catherine
Aged 72
Died at GUNNEDAH
Registered Goulburn

I think a burial at Breadalbane is unlikely given the distance between place of death and "burial"
Breadalbane to Gunnedah 550 kilometers.

However perhaps she was memorialised at Breadalbane for family reasons,....... if she is the correct Catherine DUGGAN ::)
 
Hard to be certain of her identity unless of course, you have her death certificate which you do not mention.

Sue 


 
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Re: Catherine CONDON
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 19 April 16 08:46 BST (UK) »
Umm could be a transcription error. maybe the Place is GURRANDAH which is near where the cemetery is for Breadalbane.

I cannot find SULLIVAN marriage or death nor can I find birth of Thomas nor marriage to DUGGAN ???

ADDED: Do you know if she was a Catholic? Possible church records may be available.
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Re: Catherine CONDON
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 19 April 16 09:09 BST (UK) »
Umm could be a transcription error. maybe the Place is GURRANDAH which is near where the cemetery is for Breadalbane.

 Neil
This seems very probable, Neil.
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Re: Catherine CONDON
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 19 April 16 09:15 BST (UK) »
I think "Gunnedah" is a mistranscription.  There is a GURRUNDAH about 20k north of Breadalbane and thus close to Goulburn where the death registration occurred.

According to this list there are no headstones for surnames DREW or DUGGAN at Breadalbane.  However, the list is only for gravestones rather than a list of everyone buried there.
http://www.gundaroo.info/genealogy/cemeteries/breadalb/breadalb.pdf

There is still a Roman Catholic church at GURRUNDAH and there seems to have been quite a few Irish families in the area.  Looking at the photo and the Earth view on Googlemap there may be some graves in the churchyard  :-\

Judith

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Re: Catherine CONDON
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 19 April 16 09:24 BST (UK) »
They are at the cemetery at St Brigid's Catholic Church, Mutmutbilly, near Breadalbane, NSW.
Lat 34.46.15S Long 149.27.15E
9km north-west of Breadalbane

http://www.gundaroo.info/genealogy/cemeteries/mutmut/mutmut.pdf

 10. John Drew died 25.1.1876 aged 18, and
Ellen Drew, mother of the above, died 3.2.1876 aged 64
 [Ellen's husband, Michael Drew, is also buried in this cemetery.
 He died on 10 October 1888 aged approximately 71.]

11 John Duggan died 12.5.1878 aged 66, and
 Catherine Duggan, wife of the above,
 died 2.12.1885 aged 72

The numbers apparently refer those in the cemetery diagram. Thus it's possible that they were related.

Sad to note that the deaths of Ellen DREW and her son were only 10 days apart.

Judith

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Re: Catherine CONDON
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 19 April 16 09:35 BST (UK) »

Deceased Estate file for Catherine -
DUGGAN Catherine        Gurrundah          died   03/12/1885
1886 Z08656 [20/7010]

What BDM certificates do you have for people / events here.

Can you give all the information from certificates please.