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Re: WWII Soldier "TATE"
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 03 May 16 08:51 BST (UK) »
He could have been injured at El Alamein, then hospitalised, and died later.
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Re: WWII Soldier "TATE"
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 03 May 16 09:06 BST (UK) »
True but that doesn't help identify him, the only way would be his next of kin.

some more options

TATE, Roland Mander - WWII 802831 - Army   
1940   1943   New Zealand Defence Force, Personnel Archives            Wgtn

(Roland Tate dies 1968, WW1 & WW2, buried waikumete, not this one)
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Roland-Mander-Tate/4843877


TATE, Thomas - WWII 3/18/774 - Army   
1940   1942   New Zealand Defence Force, Personnel Archives            Wgtn

Has personel file - reading it, WW1, WW2 medically unfit, reclassifed civilian - not this one.
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=24268993&digital=yes

Perhaps electoral roles could help?


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Re: WWII Soldier "TATE"
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 03 May 16 12:09 BST (UK) »
How do we know the spelling Tate is correct ?

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Calvert Dobson Metcalfe;  Otago, Yorkshire
Johns Blewett;   Bendigo, Cornwall
Turnbull Hempseed Matheson;  Otago, Bendigo, Lothian
Butterfield;   NZ, Yorkshire
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Re: WWII Soldier "TATE"
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 03 May 16 15:30 BST (UK) »
Could it be "Tait"
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Re: WWII Soldier "TATE"
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 03 May 16 19:33 BST (UK) »
What would be ideal is the service number off the dog tag that Moshe Mosenzon had in his possession with the exact spelling of the surname on it.

Perhaps Moshe Mosenson wrote his book from memory and the dog tags had been returned to the New Zealand government?
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Re: WWII Soldier "TATE"
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 03 May 16 19:40 BST (UK) »
After 73 years,   how can we verify  what really happened?

Has anyone seen the book?
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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 03 May 16 19:50 BST (UK) »
Here is the book, my guess Auckland museum will have a copy

http://www.amazon.com/Letters-Desert-Mosenson-Translated-Auerbach/dp/B0017RS5HU

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https://books.google.co.nz/books/about/Letters_from_the_Desert.html?id=hN8kAAAAMAAJ&redir_esc=y

book has Eleanora Tate written in it not Eleanor
also Jenny as the daughter not Jean or Jeannie
Tates brother is a well known engineer (who's who in NZ?)
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Re: WWII Soldier "TATE"
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 03 May 16 19:57 BST (UK) »
Here is a Eleanora Ferguson TAIT - Invercargill - Married Woman
mother of John Tait, no daughters listed

Invercargill is nowhere near Northland
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Re: WWII Soldier "TATE"
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 03 May 16 20:14 BST (UK) »
A news release doing the rounds.

Search for a Soldier .... can you help?





Back in Israel, Mr Livne read about a Hebrew soldier who was helped in WWII by an
unknown soldier. He'd been given New Zealand dog tags to avoid persecution from
German soldiers.




It is the mystery surrounding 'Soldier Tate' which the Ambassador and Auckland
Museum want to solve.

"One thing is for certain - if everything in the story is true - is that somewhere a
New Zealand soldier is buried in a place only known to God.  We need to find this
soldier and be able to honour him" says Mr Livne.

Auckland Museum's Library and Armoury team have been researching the Kiwi Soldier
'Tate' as mentioned in the book.  However they have hit a dead end and are hoping
that the public can help.

"Auckland Museum would like the public to get involved in trying to identify
'Soldier Tate' to unlock this mystery. Every piece of information, big or small, can
contribute to solving the enigma," says Museum Director, Roy Clare.

End of Quote.

- Alan.

Edit Moderator: Title corrected.
                I think it is highly unlikely that a soldier  would give his dog tags  to another person.

Is there a history of nicknames in the New Zealand Army?       
My father served with the RASC  in Alexandria for 4 years during WW2,   I do not think there was the same brutality in the Middle East theatre, as there was on the Russian front.       IF the Hebrew soldier had been captured  in Egypt,  I think he would have been treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention, either by the Italians  or by the Germans.

IF  it was the British Army,   I think TATE   may have been  his nickname,   real name possibly  "Lyle"

Have you got an organisation like the "British Legion" in NZ?

A soldier would not want to give his dog tags to someone else,   because if he was a casualty,  he would want his loved ones to be notified honestly and correctly.  Secongly,  in the event that he was seriously injured  he would want the medics and padre or Chaplin to know his blood group and correct religion.

I think that it may be an apochryphal  story.
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