Old Pandy Mill Afonwen

[Eleanor5.]

Thanks, looking forward to reading it!

[Jo Harding]

Thank you for posting the film of the trains from Mold to Denbigh and Ruthin. My gt grandfather worked in Mold station and I think he was in Denbigh station at one time. I have never seen anything of the trains that ran along there and this was wonderful.

I take it you have contacted the North East Wales Archives for information they may hold on this? I found one entry on a search:

https://www.newa.wales/collections/getrecord/GB208_D-M_B_6_151

It looks as though this may have been owned, or bought, by Mostyn Estates.

Jo

[nxf Afonwen N-Wales]

Thanks Jo,

I'm not sure if or when they will be open, but I have added it to my wishlist at the NEWA website.

I have been able to narrow down the exact trains, and their numbers, that went the other side of the fence at Pandy Mill. Sadly one of the owner cousins died when hit by a train, metres from the Mill.

I am asking my wife nicely if she will buy me a model version for my Birthday!

[Jo Harding]

Good luck with that!

Out of interest do you know the age of Old Pandy Mill?

Have you searched The National Library of Wales website? They may hold some material relating to this.

Jo

[nxf Afonwen N-Wales]

Thank you for posting the film of the trains from Mold to Denbigh and Ruthin. My gt grandfather worked in Mold station and I think he was in Denbigh station at one time. I have never seen anything of the trains that ran along there and this was wonderful.

I take it you have contacted the North East Wales Archives for information they may hold on this? I found one entry on a search:

https://www.newa.wales/collections/getrecord/GB208_D-M_B_6_151

It looks as though this may have been owned, or bought, by Mostyn Estates.

Jo

Thanks Jo, I have cross referenced my collection and I already have these advertisements in the Flintshire Observer 4, 11, 18 and 25-11-1909, the day before the auction. It was withdrawn at £440. I keep popping back as I always seem to miss an article.
Nigel.

[nxf Afonwen N-Wales]

Good luck with that!

Out of interest do you know the age of Old Pandy Mill?

Have you searched The National Library of Wales website? They may hold some material relating to this.

Jo

This is the holy grail for me  . The earliest I have is hearsay 1745. On first Pandy Mill adverts I have found...
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3816913/
... state William Evans & Son Established 1780 but Willian Evans moved here in 1860. The previous Mill worker was Joshua Jones who moved here in 1815. My wild guess is that William's father Evan Evans who worked IN a mill in Newtown, so William used poetic license to state his business was older than it actually was?

[Eleanor5.]

Well I find the dates interesting. William Evans was born in 1822 I believe and moved to the Pandy in 1860 with wife Martha Jones and daughter Eleanor aged 6 weeks. They were married in the Zion Chapel in Newtown in 1856 and I believe he lived in Greenfield, Newtown where there was a fulling mill. Martha’s father was Moses Jones, weaver so he could be related to the other Jones. I’ll research further. I would say that the family was very religious and I would be a bit surprised  at your suggestion, but all things are possible....

[nxf Afonwen N-Wales]

To add to this...
On the census details from 1861 to 1901, two (1861 & 1881) have William Evans born in Llanfyllin Montgomeryshire and three in Llanuwchllyn Merionethshire 18 miles away, where he was born. The discrepancy I think is at the age of 5 the family moved to Llanfyllin.

William was apprenticed age eight from 1831-39 in Newtown, where his parents, Evan and Ann Evans, enjoyed their golden years. I think William might have still worked locally and lived with his parents, but I can find no trace in 1841 census.

In 1848 William moved to the Crescent Mill, Greenfield, Holywell to work for Messrs John and James Hall. He quickly became a manager. Again I can find no trace in the 1851 census. One of my new theories is that the the newspaper obituary was incorrect, and the date was not 1848, but was actually 1858, two years after he married in Newtown ... I will investigate!!

Attached is a photo showing the Crescent Mill in the bottom left corner. Sadly whilst most of the many Greenfield Mills are partially intact, this one has completely gone.