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Re: Confused by Edwin Werren from Worcester
« Reply #18 on: Friday 17 June 16 15:22 BST (UK) »
I also think those first 2 children were registered as Reynolds :

William Henry Reynolds Upton on Severn J-M 1893 6c 323
Edward Arthur Reynolds J-M 1890 Upton on S 6c 330

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Re: Confused by Edwin Werren from Worcester
« Reply #19 on: Friday 17 June 16 15:26 BST (UK) »
Well CB53, I think you may just have taken the lid off things!

Maybe the name change is because he doesn't want anyone to know where he is. That would certainly explain why he left the area.

I just need to figure out now where Ida fits into the picture (who he married in 1888 or so according to the 1911 census?) and who were the parents of the 'Hughes' children born in 1890, 1892 and 1895.
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Re: Confused by Edwin Werren from Worcester
« Reply #20 on: Friday 17 June 16 15:28 BST (UK) »
Ruskie, Cas, Rosie, CB53 et al - I really am trying to respond to all of your posts (thanks, thanks), but new ones keep appearing before I can!

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Re: Confused by Edwin Werren from Worcester
« Reply #21 on: Friday 17 June 16 15:30 BST (UK) »
In the 1891 census I found an Ida Reynolds niece of Mary Ann Saunders, with possible siblings, single, living in Great Malvern. Age has a cross through it but may be 22.

I don't know if this is your Ida, and she doesn't have Edward b 1890 with her ....

I doubt that he married Ida ....


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Re: Confused by Edwin Werren from Worcester
« Reply #22 on: Friday 17 June 16 15:31 BST (UK) »
Don't worry - no one is expecting you to answer instantly. You need time to read and absorb what's being said.

I don't think Ida and Edward married as Sarah Jane was still alive in 1911.
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Re: Confused by Edwin Werren from Worcester
« Reply #23 on: Friday 17 June 16 15:35 BST (UK) »
They may have married bigamously but I couldn't see an obvious marriage (though I didn't look too thoroughly).

Added: Sorry Rosie and Abby - I missed your replies earlier at #7 and #8, hence the duplication. :-[

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Re: Confused by Edwin Werren from Worcester
« Reply #24 on: Friday 17 June 16 16:09 BST (UK) »
Clue From the article CB53 posted stating married 20 yrs by 1894

Marriages Sep 1874   
Bond    Sarah Jane    Worcester 6c 417    
Same page - Hughes    Edwin

Think the 23 yr "marriage" stated in 1911 was how long Edwin and Ida had been together maybe, but were unable to marry.

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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Confused by Edwin Werren from Worcester
« Reply #25 on: Friday 17 June 16 16:18 BST (UK) »
So, deep breath....

It looks therefore like Edwin Hughes married Sarah Bond when they were both 16 years old in 1874 and then he did a runner, somewhere between 1890-1893, and somehow came into contact with Ida Reynolds, who he then set up with in Shropshire/Staffordshire.  Ida was single in 1891 and as you said Ruskie, there is no mention of Edward b.1890 with her (I'll look for where he was in 1891 in a bit). I'm assuming for now that William Henry b.1892/3 was the son of Edwin/Ida (as he was registered as Reynolds in Worcestershire in 1893) and that Albert Victor Hughes, born in Darlaston, Staffs in 1895 was also their son (if only because the deserted wife must have been out of the picture by then).

The key revelation seems to be that Edwin and Ida may never have actually married, which is good in a way because I thought it saves me having to track down a non-existent marriage record.. In 1898, Rosina is then born and finds herself christened Werren, in a household where her older brothers are possibly still called Hughes or Reynolds!.  At least the 4 children that they had after then were all given the same name.

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Re: Confused by Edwin Werren from Worcester
« Reply #26 on: Friday 17 June 16 16:24 BST (UK) »
Clue From the article CB53 posted stating married 20 yrs

Marriages Sep 1874   
Bond    Sarah Jane    Worcester 6c 417    
Same page - Hughes    Edwin

Think the 23 yr "marriage" stated in 1911 was how long Edwin and Ida had been together maybe, but were unable to marry.

Cas

I think you are right Cas. I must admit that I presumed that information on the 1911 census was a bit more reliable than that on previous census returns as they filled it in themselves. It just shows, don't assume anything..