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Re: Will & Inventory of Thomas Holyer 1586 Nether Whitacre Warwick
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 26 June 16 18:06 BST (UK) »
Well that makes a lot more sense.

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Re: Will & Inventory of Thomas Holyer 1586 Nether Whitacre Warwick
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 28 June 16 00:20 BST (UK) »
I have been making some headway into this will. I have one abbrev. in this section I can't figure out. I think I have rest right but could you proof it to make sure.

the age off 21 yeres  Excepte & alwayes reserved ffrom the Sayd John my eldest sonne & his
heyres ffoure closes off Landes & pastures w(i)th all & Singuler thappn tena(n)c(i)es called & knowne
by the name off Lyrchy Leasues Lyinge and beinge in netherwhyteker aforesayd off the w(i)th
ffoure closes, three off them lye upon the weast syde, off a lawne leadynge ffro(m) ov(er) whyteker
unto hurley, and the fourthe close lyethe upon the east syde off the sayd lawne, And alsos
Exceptynge And Reservynge ffrom the sayd John, my eldest sonne & his heyres, All the arable
lande w(i)th all & Singular their appurtena(n)ces Lyinge & beinge in netherwhyteker aforsayd  in the

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Re: Will & Inventory of Thomas Holyer 1586 Nether Whitacre Warwick
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 28 June 16 05:26 BST (UK) »
...Synguler thappurtena(n)c(es) called...  [= the appurtenances]

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Re: Will & Inventory of Thomas Holyer 1586 Nether Whitacre Warwick
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 28 June 16 05:36 BST (UK) »
aha it was one word, not two.

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Re: Will & Inventory of Thomas Holyer 1586 Nether Whitacre Warwick
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 28 June 16 05:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Brian,

Just working on a few small suggestions for the text last posted:

...off the w(hi)ch
foure Closes, thre off them...
[= of the which]

Last word of the fifth line is alsoe.

In the last two visible or partially visible lines the word land(es) appears.

You have the first as lande.  The last character is the -es brevigraph.  It looks like an e but is the wrong way around for the e in this and most C16th documents.  Also it runs some way below the line.

ADDED:  See here:  http://scriptorium.english.cam.ac.uk/handwriting/materials/alphabets/brevs.php

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Re: Will & Inventory of Thomas Holyer 1586 Nether Whitacre Warwick
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 28 June 16 14:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the corrections HD

I appreciate your time.

Brian
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Re: Will & Inventory of Thomas Holyer 1586 Nether Whitacre Warwick
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 30 June 16 03:02 BST (UK) »
In this section I have four words I can't make out.

and his heyres for ever when he shall come unto the age off 21 yeres, It(e)m hit ys my will & my
ul that marye my wyfe, shall have my house, barnes, stables, buildinges & all my wholle
groundes pastures, Leasues, And all man(ner) off profectes, com(m)on Lande & all & synguler thappur-
tena(n)ces nowe being, remaynynge, lyinge, & upteynynge therunto, untyll suche larosues
tyme, as my Sayd Sonnes John & thomas aforsaid shall come either off them unto the
age off 21 yeres kepynge her selfe wydowe,  And then it ys my will when my son-
nes shall come to their full age ether off them of 21 yeares, that my wyfe shall have
thou halffe, off all my sayd house, houses, & buildynges, the whole profectes & en-y
thappurtenances durynge her naturall Lyffe, But yff it chaume, that she at any tyme
hearaftr doe marye then hit ys my will that she shall have, onely no more, but her

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Re: Will & Inventory of Thomas Holyer 1586 Nether Whitacre Warwick
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 30 June 16 05:07 BST (UK) »
...Itm hyt ys my ^wyll^ & my
nd that marye...


[= will & mind]

...remaynynge, lyinge, & ap(er)teynynge therunto, untyll suche lawful
tyme...


[the p in ap(er)teynynge is crossed, I believe.]

...the whole profectes & ev(er)y
thappurtenances...

...but yff it chaunce, that she...

Do you think profectes means profits or something else?

ADDED:

Just glanced over the rest of the text.  The only thing to report is this section:

...that my wyfe shall have
thon halffe off all...

I think this should be read:  the one halffe

It's possible that it is then, but his e is usually clearly formed, so my first suggestion is far more likely.

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Re: Will & Inventory of Thomas Holyer 1586 Nether Whitacre Warwick
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 30 June 16 06:08 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the assist HD86.

As per this clip, and others Ive found, the context does seem to suggest profits as likely meaning.

Wherfore the Kinges Majestie by His high wisdom and prudence muste take an order with theym therein and That after a gentle soarte and politique fation As They May perceyve His Grace fynally entendeth but the comon weale and Their profectes for men and They May be nobly do the King high service. 1536 GRAY to CRUMWELL

Brian
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