Fred Whitby b1892 lived in Salford

[lancsann]

lancsann  - Fred was born 12 August 1892, baptised 9 December 1903 at St Clements, Ordsall (Lancs OPC).  I agree with the death details too. Also, I have been unable to ascertain the whereabouts of Fred's brother Isaac Whitby during the dates you mention.  I will keep looking.
Thanks v much for your help though.  Pip.

I wonder if that is another case of parents giving wrong yob. Did you get the year from the baptism record or have you a birth cert. Freebmd & cheshirebmd both have the registration in 1893. 12th August would fit with the reg qtr in 1893

[pipkins75]

Yes it could well be that the parents gave the wrong yob, That seems to happen a lot in this part of the family.  The dob is from Fred's baptism record, as I don't have his BC yet.  But as you say, it does give 1893 on both Cheshire and FreeBMD.  Pip.

[heywood]

I wonder if Fred was imprisoned somewhere and the family disowned him. They stae they have only had 4 children and only 1 still living (William) whom they went to live with. They in fact had 6 children

There is also Elizabeth baptised 9th October 1875. There  is a birth and death registration too.
I can't see a baptism for William but the others seem to have been baptised quite early which makes the late baptism for Fred seem unusual for this family.

[lancsann]

There is also Elizabeth baptised 9th October 1875. There  is a birth and death registration too.
I can't see a baptism for William but the others seem to have been baptised quite early which makes the late baptism for Fred seem unusual for this family.

I wonder if Fred was missed being baptised because they may have moved from Weston Point to Salford about the time of his birth? If they were a church going family 1903 would possibly be the time for Fred's confirmation and would need to have been baptised at some point in his life before that

[heywood]

Yes, I thought that too but then if they were churchgoers, you would think the Baptism would be earlier.
Most likely that was the reason though.

[pipkins75]

Thank you both for your help, I am amazed.  I didn't  have a clue that there was an Elizabeth b 1875.      Now I am wondering what else I  have got missing/wrong in my tree!   

I know that James and Elizabeth moved to Salford sometime between 1891 and 1901.   I have always thought that the reason was because they had a major tragedy which was around 1890.  Elizabeth's mum and dad drowned in the ship canal in Runcorn. Neither could swim. It was thought that the mother slipped and fell in and her husband tried to save her because they were found the next day with him holding onto her neck scarf.  His other hand had dirt and mud on it so it was thought he had tried to claw his way back up.  So maybe their daughter Elizabeth was so distraught that they had to move away and Fred's  baptism was put aside.

[heywood]

What a sad happening - certainly could be a challenge to faith.

[lancsann]

A sad story. Maybe they moved away from the canal for fear that the same might happen to the children