Children of James WALSH(E) and Ann DEMPSEY

[minniehaha]

Hi Helen,

Regarding the death of James Walsh(e), it may be helpful to obtain a birth printout for at least one of the younger of his children. [After October 1875 more information was gathered at registration.] This could help establish his birth year.

https://bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/birth

There do not appear to be any death registrations in the time frame for a James Walshe but maybe for Walsh. He may not of course have died in New Zealand.

Minniehaha.

[minniehaha]

Son of Emma Jane Armit, nee Freeman (with photograph).......

http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C17265

Killed in Action:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19410617.2.10

Minniehaha.

[minniehaha]

And a brother of Gordon Napier Armit?

http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C130313?k=armit&ordinal=5&from=%2Fwar-memorial%2Fonline-cenotaph%2Fcustom-search%2F

I can look for his 1995 death notice if you wish.

Minniehaha.

[minniehaha]

The report of the wedding of the only daughter of Mr. & Mrs. W. D. Armit........

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19400921.2.132.6

There are numerous items about W. D. Armit in 'Papers Past'.

Minniehaha.

[minniehaha]

And sadly, the death of the only daughter's husband. (Photograph included.)

http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C26976?n=arthur%20william%20simpson&ordinal=0&from=%2Fwar-memorial%2Fonline-cenotaph%2Fsearch%2F

Minniehaha.

[Helen13]

Hi Miniehaha
Thank you for your postings regarding the ARMIT family. If you can get the death notice for Kenneth, then it would let me know if he is a brother.

Thank you for giving me the marriage and children on Margaret HEWITT nee Walsh and Edith OLDHAM nee Walsh. Hopefully there may be some descendants.

I was very interested to read the article about James WALSH(E). I had not had any luck with finding him and it did not help that there was another James and Annie WALSH living around Greymouth. However they were born around 1885 so the article can not be them.

The only piece of information I have is that on the Intentions to Marry for the eldest child and daughter Annie  WALSH to John Frederick Graham FREEMAN, dated 9 August 1887, it is stated that James WALSH the father gives permission for Annie WALSH aged 18 to marry. Would he have to be present to give his permission?

I am not sure what happened to James WALSH. I was led to believe that he died prior to 1895 as he is stated on a marriage certificate as deceased. However I now think this was to cover up that he had left the family and that the family did not know if he was alive or dead. From many articles Ann WALSH is referred to as Mrs James WALSH or Mrs Ann WALSH or the wife of the late Mr James WALSH.

I have not been able to find a death date to fit James. On his intention to marry to Ann DEMPSEY he stated that he was 25 years old, a Labourer and present in Kaiapoi for 18 months. As this was stated in 31 December 1867 I have his birth about 1842.

Ann stated at the same time that she was aged 21 years old, a servant and present in Kaiapoi for 18 months. This made her birth year 1846. However on her death registration in June 1915, her age is given as 67 query making her birth year as 1848. Was she under age?

I will look at getting a birth print out of a child born after 1875.  I can not find the birth registration for John Samuel WALSH born 1876.

Thank you for your help.
Helen

[minniehaha]

Hello Helen,

Yes, I think James Walsh(e) would have had to have given his permission in person, in writing or via an agent. And if the latter there would possibly be an entry to that effect on the ITM?

Minniehaha.

[spades]

Hi Helen and Minniehaha,

Intention to Marry Notices included the field, 'Person giving permission in case of a minor to marry', and the information given was usually no more than, 'James Bloggs, father' or similar.

I have seen one which read, 'No one in the Colony to give permission'.

So if James WALSH gave permission in this record it is very likely that he was either there in person or gave permission in writing.

Spades

[Helen13]

Hi Minniehaha

Thank you for your advice. I was given the Intentions to Marry many years ago before I was sure that it was my family. As far as I know all that was written was James WALSH gave permission. I might have to recheck this myself but I do not know how or where I would do this.

The intentions to marry is the same year as the last child was born. So I am trying to pinpoint when James left according to Anne's will.

Helen