Thomas Winter and Grandson Hiram Aston

[Mabel Bagshawe]

So Ann is James' daughter, not Mary Ann's?

1841 has an Ann James b c1822 living with Adam James in Blakeney Hill - could this be Mary Ann?

I can see a baptism for Mary Ann, and other of Adam's children, but not for a separate child called Ann

[MaureeninNY]

 
IF the family I found in 1841 is the correct group then it looks as though Mary Ann was Ann's stepmother.
Her mother was James' first wife, Elizabeth.

Maureen

[cardinalcanary]

Thanks to Mabel's  detective work....I think I'm seeing a glimmer of hope.

On 1851 A*try- take a look at Mays Ane GADES b1822 born Blokery, Gloucestershire.

The image says Mary Ann MILES.

Mary Ann JAMES spinster (father Adam JAMES -note that Ann MILES is with the JAMES family in 1851) marries James MILES widower occ:Patten maker father William MILES occ:Patten maker Oct.3 1846 Llanelli Breconshire.
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With Mary Ann in 1851 is a Richard MILES born 1834 Llauley(sic), Breconshire, Wales.

In 1841 there's a James MILES age 38 with wife Elizabeth(30) son Richard age 8 and daughter Anne born 1839 Llanelly Crickhowell.

Maureen

Wow great work. Thanks. So my GGGM was Elizabeth Miles.

[cardinalcanary]

Looks like I now need to research Ann's mother Elizabeth Miles.

To close out the original question, it appears that Thomas Winter married my grandfather Hiram's step-grandmother Mary Ann Miles (born James). To say Hiram was Thomas Winter's grandson is a bit of a stretch but I can imagine that if Mary Ann filled in the census she may well have thought of him as a grandson.

Blakeney to Llanelli is a journey of about 35 miles via Monmouth and Abergaveny. It sounds like this journey was well travelled by the Miles, James and Aston families.

[cardinalcanary]

Just noticed that the 1841 Llanelly census appears to show an 18 year old Mary Miles living with Joseph and Elizabeth Miles and their two children in Turnpike Road. I wonder who she was. Did Joseph have a previous marriage even before he married Elizabeth.

Elizabeth herself is also proving elusive. I can't find her birth or Maiden Name.