Were either of my Gt Grandparents already married?

[bettyespana]

Sorry no nearer to finding a marriage for Alexander Olley to Martha Sarah Ellen Eliza Bone/Bunn 

for info.

I believe Frank Frederick William Bunn born c 1900 who married Mary H E Olley

might be the son of

Walter John Frederick Bunn (1874) son of James William Bone/Bunn & Hannah

he appears to have married 1895 Oct-Nov-Dec Mitford Georgina BUSH

1901 Brick Kiln Lane, Holt, Erpingham, Norfolk
Frederick   Bunn   25   1876   General Labourer   Holt, Norfolk   
Georgianna Bunn   26   1875   Swanton Morley, Norfolk   
Daisy   Bunn   5   1896   -   Holt, Norfolk   
Violet   Bunn   3   1898   -   Holt, Norfolk   
Frank   Bunn   1   1900   -   Holt, Norfolk

Thank you for this info Ladyhawk,

I must conclude that we have been seeking a marriage for Alexander Olley & Martha S.E.E Bunn that never happened.I appreciate everything else that has been found in the course of looking for the marriage.
regards
betty

[LizzieL]

Has anyone found Alexander Olley on the 1881 census, I have him on  1861, 71 with parents / siblings , but he is not with them in 1881. Two newspaper reports of him being fined for  being drunk and disorderly in 1888 and 1889, he is described as living in Stody, so close to where his parents are living.

[bettyespana]

Has anyone found Alexander Olley on the 1881 census, I have him on  1861, 71 with parents / siblings , but he is not with them in 1881. Two newspaper reports of him being fined for  being drunk and disorderly in 1888 and 1889, he is described as living in Stody, so close to where his parents are living.

No I haven't got him on the 1881c neither. Stody is where both Alexander 4B65 BMD Erpingham & his father James Olley 4B52 BMD Erpingham were born according to my notes. Erpingham being the reg district which Stody comes under.
Probably banished from his parents house due to his bad behaviour,Father James Olley was a Gamekeeper at Bluestone Hall -Cawston & this must have caused him some embarrassment.
Now my imagination is running away with me.ha!ha!
betty

[Ladyhawk]

Father James Olley was a Gamekeeper at Bluestone Hall -Cawston

Just out of curiosity really when did his father James Olley born  Stody/Hunworth  become a
Gamekeeper on  the censuses I’ve seen his occ. listed as Agricultural Labourer

Although I can't find this person on the census from a transcription there is a
James Olley on 1841/1851 census and his occ Gamekeeper he's noted as born c1807 Suffield (1851)

Has anyone found Alexander Olley on the 1881 census, I have him on  1861, 71 with parents / siblings , but he is not with them in 1881. Two newspaper reports of him being fined for  being drunk and disorderly in 1888 and 1889, he is described as living in Stody, so close to where his parents are living.

No I haven't got him on the 1881c neither.

Nor me from everything that's been posted I've done a recap here

1861 Alexander OLLEY   born 1859 Hunworth living Norfolk with parents/siblings
1871     ‘’              ‘’        born 1860 Hunworth occ Ag. Labourer living Norfolk parents/sibling
1881       ?                          ? ?
1891        ‘’             ‘’      born 1863 Norfolk occ Labourer single boarder in Durham
1901        ‘’             ‘’      born 1861 Norfolk occ Navvy  married living Salford
1911        ‘’             ‘’      born 1865 Unworth occ. lab married living Irlam
1923   buried Irlam Lancaster age 64 (1859)

The nearest I could find for 1881c was a William Olley born c1863 Stody
occ Labourer Lodging at The Green Hunsworth Erpingham
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKX7-SJGS

[bettyespana]

Father James Olley was a Gamekeeper at Bluestone Hall -Cawston

Just out of curiosity really when did his father James Olley born  Stody/Hunworth  become a
Gamekeeper on  the censuses I’ve seen his occ. listed as Agricultural Labourer

Although I can't find this person on the census from a transcription there is a
James Olley on 1841/1851 census and his occ Gamekeeper he's noted as born c1807 Suffield (1851)

Has anyone found Alexander Olley on the 1881 census, I have him on  1861, 71 with parents / siblings , but he is not with them in 1881. Two newspaper reports of him being fined for  being drunk and disorderly in 1888 and 1889, he is described as living in Stody, so close to where his parents are living.

No I haven't got him on the 1881c neither.

Nor me from everything that's been posted I've done a recap here

1861 Alexander OLLEY   born 1859 Hunworth living Norfolk with parents/siblings
1871     ‘’              ‘’        born 1860 Hunworth occ Ag. Labourer living Norfolk parents/sibling
1881       ?                          ? ?
1891        ‘’             ‘’      born 1863 Norfolk occ Labourer single boarder in Durham
1901        ‘’             ‘’      born 1861 Norfolk occ Navvy  married living Salford
1911        ‘’             ‘’      born 1865 Unworth occ. lab married living Irlam
1923   buried Irlam Lancaster age 64 (1859)

The nearest I could find for 1881c was a William Olley born c1863 Stody
occ Labourer Lodging at The Green Hunsworth Erpingham
 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKX7-SJGS

To be quite honest I am not sure it is that long since I did anything with the Olleys.
I will have to look at some of the past files I have.
The only thing I have found in my notes is James Olley 1851c as a boarder age 25 with a family named Carman in Cawston.
betty

[Ladyhawk]

Eventually found the James Olley I mentioned on the 1851 census surname transcribed as ALLEY

Archive reference   HO107
Piece number   1809
Folio   614
Page   5

He's a boarder with Howlett family living Plumstead, Erpingham, Norfolk, he's single
born Suffield occ Gamekeeper

[bettyespana]

Has anyone found Alexander Olley on the 1881 census, I have him on  1861, 71 with parents / siblings , but he is not with them in 1881. Two newspaper reports of him being fined for  being drunk and disorderly in 1888 and 1889, he is described as living in Stody, so close to where his parents are living.

No I haven't got him on the 1881c neither. Stody is where both Alexander 4B65 BMD Erpingham & his father James Olley 4B52 BMD Erpingham were born according to my notes. Erpingham being the reg district which Stody comes under.
Probably banished from his parents house due to his bad behaviour,Father James Olley was a Gamekeeper at Bluestone Hall -Cawston & this must have caused him some embarrassment.
Now my imagination is running away with me.ha!ha!
betty

Found out where I got it from: Marriage Cert for James Olley to Eliza Knowles (of full ages) Bachelor  - Gamekeeper -  of Hunworth - Father John Olley -Warriner.
The marriage was January 29th 1858 Hunworth Parish Church.

I knew I must have got it from somewhere.
betty

[Ladyhawk]

To be quite honest I am not sure it is that long since I did anything with the Olleys.

I will have to look at some of the past files I have.

The only thing I have found in my notes is James Olley 1851c as a boarder age 25 with a family named Carman in Cawston.

Hi have found James Olley with the Carman family on 1851 c lodging Bluestone Hall, Cawston, Aylsham, Norfolk

James born Stody age 25

Archive reference   HO107
Piece number   1810
Folio   221
Page   26

[bettyespana]

To be quite honest I am not sure it is that long since I did anything with the Olleys.

I will have to look at some of the past files I have.

The only thing I have found in my notes is James Olley 1851c as a boarder age 25 with a family named Carman in Cawston.

Hi have found James Olley with the Carman family on 1851 c lodging Bluestone Hall, Cawston, Aylsham, Norfolk

James born Stody age 25

Archive reference   HO107
Piece number   1810
Folio   221
Page   26

Yes thats it but it is only on his marriage cert that I can see Gamekeeper. Actually he is only described as a Ag Lab  on Alexander Olleys birth cert.That was 25th June 1859 quite a time from 1851 when he was in Cawston.
Perhaps at his marriage he wanted to impress,although looking at his father John Olleys notes he too was described as Warriner,Retired Gamekeeper,& Carter. I wonder if these jobs were swapped about when they were working on the farms & they did different roles as needed.
betty