Locating a specific address on a census?

[rolnora]

Brenda,
Just to make things a little bit more confusing have you checked out Sophia Mary Moore,
Liverpool Catholic Baptisms
 Sophia Mary Moore born 26 March 1847 baptised 6 June 1847 dau of Fenton and Mary Moore

In 1851 the family are still in Liverpool
Fenton 36 born Ireland Mary 40 also Ireland and Mary Sophia 4 Liverpool
 HO107 Piece 2181 Folio 192; Page: 18

Sophia and her mother Mary are on the 1871Stockport census Mary is a widow
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB6B-Z2R

14 Nov 1871 Sophia marries John Tracy at St Michael's RC Church Stockport, father Phentom Moor

and in 1881 Sophia and John are living at 4 Benisons Court Stockport
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q272-4MG7

Haven't checked for the 1861 census yet.

Sophia has got to be connected and I would have said that the younger Fenton was her father.
But Mary a widow in 1871?
Totally flummoxed and have to leave it now, perhaps someone will have waved a magic wand by the time I come back.

[heywood]

Good work, rolnora 

There is this death but no age and I can't see a Catholic burial.

Fenton Moore December 1851 Liverpool vol 20 pg 397

[heywood]

Possibility for Mary and Sophia in 1861 / 2938/ 8

56 Cumberland Street Manchester

Moris Baron 28 yrs b Waterford
Mary Baron 25 yrs b Queen's County
Margaret Baron   4 yrs b Manchester
Frances Higgens   20 yrs b Galway
Mary A King 13 yrs b Queen's County
Mary Moore 57 yrs b Dublin
Sophia Moore 14 yrs b Manchester

[rolnora]

Thanks Heywood,
Is it good work or have I just added another Fenton Moore to the mix, I'm not sure now.
Select deaths and burials have him as born 1807 and died 17 Oct 1851 aged 44 Liverpool.
I do think there is a connection just don't know how

[heywood]

There are Fenton Moores scattered around Ireland and England 

Part of me feels they are linked - cousins etc naming their children and so on. Then I read that Fenton/Fintan was very popular in Queens County.

I have seen certain first names which occur in particular counties more than others so it might be just that also.

I have tried to see if there is a connection between the 1861 Barons in Manchester who I suspect are not that at all - perhaps Byrne and I notice that there is a death for Mary A King soon after in Manchester too. I got no further!

You would think there is a connection though - name and place - but then again there were particular areas where the Irish would live and perhaps that is the reason the two women end up in Stockport.

Lastly, I know there is a great difference in ages between Fenton in Stockport and the death, but if Catherine is the same person, she aged considerably between 1861 and 1871.

[rolnora]

Yes your right, looking at the various census and knowing from my own Irish ancestors they mostly seemed to settle in clusters around the areas near to St Joseph's RC Church
Catherine is another loose end. Could it be that the 1861 census is really messed up and she is wife instead of daughter
But no, she's unmarried in 1871 isn't she?
Think I'm losing what bit of sanity I have left now. 
 

[xpress4]

Okay now my head feels like it will explode! I have created a spreadsheet of Fentons and still chaos!

Maurice Baron and Mary Moore were married in Salford, Lancashire in 1855. Mary and Sophia were visiting them in 1861. One would think Mary Moore Baron is Mary's daughter. But Sophia's birth name is Mary Sophia. So how can that be?

It cannot be coincidence that Sophia Moore Tracy ended up at 4 Benison's Court. Can it??? We must be onto something.

[xpress4]

AND Mary Moore Baron was born in Queens County where there's Moore's are to have originated!

[rolnora]

Mary Moore's parents were Patrick and Catherine

 13 Nov 1855 Cathedral Church of St John the Evangelist, Salford, Lancashire, England
 Maurice Baron  Hattons Court
 Mary Moore  Cook St.
     Groom's Parents John Baron & Ellen of Dungarvon, Waterford
     Bride's Parents Patrick Moore & Catherine of Salford
     Witness: John Fitzsimons of Silk St Manchester and Ellen Lawler of Spinningfield, Manchester
   
 From Lancsopc.
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk